jaythesouthernmag

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Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see there is absolutely no way we can compete financially with City,Man U,Chelsea and I would say also Liverpool. Arsenal could compete but Wenger chooses not to and wants to do it his way by bringing players through and not spending 30mil plus on players. They had to sell 2 world class players in Fabregas and Nasri, its the nature of the current game. I'm not sure why people fail to see that money is king and there are a lot of clubs out there with cash to burn and if they set their sights on a player then its extremely difficult for that players club to hang onto their player If anyone fails to acknowledge that the game is very different than the one where we played in the CL then they are deluded, plain and simple

Who would say playing in the Europa league next season,through league position, amounts to a successful campaign this year?

1. I am not cherry picking and talking about 2 seasons out of 15. Why do you not want to talk about the entire 15 years ? 2. what ? 3. One person or transfer doesn't encompass the entire transfer policy of the club. As it happens, it has only been "good business" for Mike Ashley, not Newcatle United, as Mike Ashley has pocketed the transfer fee. Why do you think one transfer encompasses the entire setup and policy of the club ? This is the same mentality of those who think Michael Owen encompassed the entire transfer policy of the club, in 15 years. Quite amazing. 4. Why do you think it was a good decision to "get rid" of Barton ? Quite amazing too. You STILL don't really understand the idea that it is YOUR MANAGER who should be deciding who he wants to keep etc, and that he should also be given the money for transfer fees for sales to spend how he sees fit and improve his own team. is this a difficult idea to grasp for you or something ? I look forward to you waking up to the real world, and how a progressive and ambitious big football club is set up and conducts itself, which I am trying to explain. I never mentioned Micheal Owen encompassing the transfer policy of the previous owners, I know we had some class players BUT the last few years before the sale the wheels were coming off, finishing 14th and 7th Letting Barton go or paying him 50k a week on a 5 year deal, no contest in the real world. You obviously would have given it tom him, NOLAN?? any answers on that one How do you know the 35mil has not gone into the club?? just because the manager isnt given it doesnt mean it has not been spent on running the club As for the manager not controlling transfers, not really harmed spurs has it?? I'm pleased you mentioned 7th, only 12 months before the club was sold. How long has it taken Mike Ashley to finish 7th ? Oh, he hasn't done it yet, so much for the "wheels coming off". Nolan doesn't encompass the entire transfer policy any more than Owen does. The FACT is that the club are competing at the lower end of the market, ie see clubs like Blackburn, Bolton etc. One player does NOT prove anything about the policy and setup of the club. See next paragraph, you STILL don't understand this do you ? Where has the 35m quid gone ? Has it gone on the "running of the club", this is how selling clubs are set up, not progressive clubs. Progressive clubs are or should be those with the biggest revenues, who don't or shouldn't need to sell their best players to put the money into operating costs. I would say Newcastle United come into that category, rather than clubs half the size, for instance Blackburn and Bolton, who sell their best players and don't/can't/choose not to [delete as appropriate] give their managers the money from sales to allow him to build the best football team that he can, and actually keeping their best players too whenever possible rather than sell them against his wishes. I'm getting tired of telling you this. Maybe someone else will have a go ? If you think Redknapp isn't picking the players Spurs buy and sell, you are living in cloud cuckoo land. Ashley wants the club to be self financing so the money has to come from somewhere The previous owners ran the club on credit and racked up debts No doubt they had more success, we had great players and played in Europe. My arguement is the money ran out and we struggled even before Ashley bought the club.

As he always bangs on about champions league, challenging the top etc then 7th would have been poor, 14th the previous season?

Yep but I want him to, along with the other questions, but he wont SAdly, I don't think you know anything about the club prior to those last 2 years you are asking about [before we were relegated] 14th and 7th , the rot was setting in BEFORE Ashley bought the club. Souness and Roeder as managers, nowhere near the top 4 you consistantly bang on about. I am well aware what the club did in the past but it was a long time before Ashley showed up that we played in the champions league, FACT You are so fucking blinkered its untrue Aslhey is a cunt and a shit owner but we are now in a better position than we were when the previous lot sold it. rubbish. From start to finish. Why do you ignore the first 13 years ? Why do you ignore the last 4?

Yep but I want him to, along with the other questions, but he wont SAdly, I don't think you know anything about the club prior to those last 2 years you are asking about [before we were relegated] 14th and 7th , the rot was setting in BEFORE Ashley bought the club. Souness and Roeder as managers, nowhere near the top 4 you consistantly bang on about. I am well aware what the club did in the past but it was a long time before Ashley showed up that we played in the champions league, FACT You are so fucking blinkered its untrue Aslhey is a cunt and a shit owner but we are now in a better position than we were when the previous lot sold it. rubbish. From start to finish. we didnt finish 14th? we didnt finish 7th? we challenged the top 4 from 2004 onwards?? FACTS not RUBBISH

1. I am not cherry picking and talking about 2 seasons out of 15. Why do you not want to talk about the entire 15 years ? 2. what ? 3. One person or transfer doesn't encompass the entire transfer policy of the club. As it happens, it has only been "good business" for Mike Ashley, not Newcatle United, as Mike Ashley has pocketed the transfer fee. Why do you think one transfer encompasses the entire setup and policy of the club ? This is the same mentality of those who think Michael Owen encompassed the entire transfer policy of the club, in 15 years. Quite amazing. 4. Why do you think it was a good decision to "get rid" of Barton ? Quite amazing too. You STILL don't really understand the idea that it is YOUR MANAGER who should be deciding who he wants to keep etc, and that he should also be given the money for transfer fees for sales to spend how he sees fit and improve his own team. is this a difficult idea to grasp for you or something ? I look forward to you waking up to the real world, and how a progressive and ambitious big football club is set up and conducts itself, which I am trying to explain. I never mentioned Micheal Owen encompassing the transfer policy of the previous owners, I know we had some class players BUT the last few years before the sale the wheels were coming off, finishing 14th and 7th Letting Barton go or paying him 50k a week on a 5 year deal, no contest in the real world. You obviously would have given it tom him, NOLAN?? any answers on that one How do you know the 35mil has not gone into the club?? just because the manager isnt given it doesnt mean it has not been spent on running the club As for the manager not controlling transfers, not really harmed spurs has it??

Yep but I want him to, along with the other questions, but he wont SAdly, I don't think you know anything about the club prior to those last 2 years you are asking about [before we were relegated] 14th and 7th , the rot was setting in BEFORE Ashley bought the club. Souness and Roeder as managers, nowhere near the top 4 you consistantly bang on about. I am well aware what the club did in the past but it was a long time before Ashley showed up that we played in the champions league, FACT You are so fucking blinkered its untrue Aslhey is a cunt and a shit owner but we are now in a better position than we were when the previous lot sold it.

Yep but I want him to, along with the other questions, but he wont

Leazes, can you answer these questions without resorting to talking about the usual stuff. 1, what were our league positions the last 2 seasons under the previous owners? 2, which players were signed/sold/let go in the same period? 3, do you still think the Carroll sale wasn't good business? 4, would you have liked Barton/Nolan to get the 4 year deals they wanted? I look forward to your answers

to be honest, Liverpool only really valued him at £15m, but they knew they were in for a windfall from Torres' departure. If we'd managed to get them up to £40m, I'm pretty sure Torres would have gone for £55m Pretty irrelevant what they got for Torres, they still paid 35mil for Carroll. It's like us flogging Tiote for 30mil then buying Cattermole for 20mil. Mental decision by them when you consider what that money would get you in the striker market.

City Man U Arse * Spuds Chelsea Us Scouse cunts The rest *Should RVP stay fit

I dont think there is any chance of him rebranding the club but I would say there is a decent chance one of the above shite,cheap,chavtastic brands could be on the next shirt, should no one come in with what he would consider enough money for the stadium/shirt rights

What Leazes and a few others continue to ignore is that when Ashley bought us we were not exactly tearing trees up and signing superstars were we He did splash some cash, fucked up royaly and the rest is history. I guess if anyone on here was in the position were your business was paying Alan Smith 50k a week you may well want to tread with caution on future deals. You can't argue with the quality and value of recent additions, although Leazes will argue they were just lucky signings. If we sign Modiga and he scores 10 goals then people will spout he's gonna get sold in summer. The negativity of some is unreal, we are above ALL the clubs we are realistically competing with and have a great team spirit and some class players. Ashley is and may always well be a cunt and renaming the ground is unforgiveable but so far his on the field plan is holding its own

of course not, its all about selling your best players to the teams attempting to win trophies, and not replace them and backing their managers, you should tell Alex Ferguson he should be buying players like James Perch and Leon Best instead of Ashley Young and Phil Jones. He should have been following the Mike Ashley blueprint for the last 25 years or so, and might not have wasted so much money. As indeed, the Keegan/Dalglish/Gullitt/Robson years were a waste of time too, we should have tried to balance the books for all those years, just like the mackems did for instance, and celebrated relegations and promotions to/from the 2nd division instead of reaching FA Cup Finals, and failing to qualify for the quarter finals of the Champions League. Always on the defensive then spouting shite like that about Ferguson, we signed Perch/Best in the championship. Perch is never getting a premier league start and Best has done OK. How about BA, Tiote and Cabaye?? we dont only sign shite players although you never refer to these in your posts unless you say they will be sold. Are you saying we should compete with Man U for players??

Spot on, Its not about the £££`s its about the player and what they can do. Cabaye replaced Nolan and no doubt is a better player than Nolan Obertan replaced Barton, not a better player but offers pace which Barton didnt have and pace is important to how we play now Santon-Enrique yet to be proven either way

who has "only" chucked "big bucks" at 29/30 year olds ? The entire problem with a stupid post like that is you are insinuating the old regime never signed young players on long contracts and looked to the future ? If you like, I can supply you with a list that shows the majority of players signed were actually young players with their best years ahead of them, which resulted in regular european football because we kept them and allowed the managers to decide who they did and didn't want to keep. If you want a list to prove it and prove you are spouting rubbish, I warn you that it is a very large list. You shouldn't claim such things unless you can back it up with the facts and the truth. I was chatting to someone a few days ago who was harping on about "chucking big money away on trophy signings" ie the usual crap. I said "who are you talking about then". He said "Michael Owen". So one player - one player - in 15 years epitomised the spending policy of the whole club :icon_lol: Sadly, this appears to be the mentality of a lot of so called "knowledgeable supporters" who disregard completely the Champions League, european qualifications, growth of the club, expansion of the stadium, revenues of 14th biggest club in world football, breaking the world transfer record for a player who paid back every penny, for ONE player ? Haha, you really couldn't make this up. As you talk about "90% of all other clubs", unfortunately if you bracket NUFC as one of those "90% of other clubs" ie also rans, it only proves your small time mentality and lack of appreciation of the size of the club. Newcastle United are one of the 10%, not the 90% you are harping on about. Steady on there, I never mentioned "only chucking big bucks at anyone", It was more about the Nolan/Barton situation. I appreciate we had some class players under the previous owners and they deserve the credit for that along with the success we had at the time As for the 90% thing, I dont have a small time mentality but I am a realist and until we have the financial clout of City or the pull of Barca/Madrid/Man U etc then players will always see these as a step up. IF we were selling Cabaye/Tiote/Collo to teams like Spurs/Villa/Stoke etc then I would be pissed off, cant see that happening tho` Not sure why you brought the Owen thing up as I didnt mention anything to do with that. There is a list as long as my arm of shit players on big money signed by both sets of owners, the key thing is minimising the risk of ending up with players like this. You agree with that??

Leazes, isn't signing younger players on long term deals looking to the future?? Rather than chucking big bucks and 5 yr deals at 29/30 year olds?? Yeah if big money comes in then we may have to sell but that would go for 90% of clubs, its about replacements if they do get sold.

Leazes, would giving Barton/Nolan 5 yr deals, not selling Carol for stupid money have been gearing up for success or I may argue bringing in BA for a signing on fee,Capturing a current France international, not to mention class footballer,in Cabaye, Italy u21 international in Santon add to that Marvaux and Orbatan I don't think we came out of the last window too badly.

This is pretty much stance. Not many clubs would have turned down the Carroll money and Liverpool are probably regretting spending so much, especially when they see what they could have got (Kun) for less. Nolan and Barton although very good for us weren't worth the contracts they were demanding. Enrique is a big loss and was worth a very big wage but he seems ambitious and Liverpool are a bigger club than we are. I have little doubt Ashley has no qualms about selling players if the money is right but I don't think we will be selling players unless very good offers come in for them. the difference being, dummy, that the money is going into Mike Ashleys back pocket rather than giving it back to the manager and allowing him to try and keep who he wants and buy who he wants to build a good football team. No Dummy , the money going into Ashleys pocket argument can't be proven. Just because Pardew doesn't get ALL the money generated by transfers doesn't mean its not going into the club and covering operating costs does it?? They have said they want the club to be able to stand on its own two feet financially without Ashley dipping into his own cash so you shouldn't be surprised at the above. It's not what people want but its what we've got but even you have to accept on the field we are doing pretty good and have not missed any of the players you constantly moan about us selling rubbish. The supporters of a football club want to see a team winning on the pitch chum. You can console yourself down on the south coast, watching the team live on sky, wearing your scarf with the balance sheet on it if you like, but I'm afraid its not why people go to games. The speculate to accumulate method is what brings football teams success on the pitch, this is a tried and trusted method that has produced all the consistent european qualifications for decades, and trophy winners for over a hundred years, rather than selling your best players and keeping the cash instead of allowing your manager to run his own football team. If you know differently, you ought to have told Alex Ferguson years ago that he has been getting it all wrong. The likes of you make me laugh, loudly. Edit. I know what we "have got", dummy, its what I said years ago when he bought the club [and most people disagreed] and said anybody else would do better than the other lot, who saved the club from bankruptcy which was staring them in the face due to years of neglect, and apathy due to selling our best players and not backing managers and competing at the levels of 2nd and 3rd rate football clubs. Still, I'm sure you know best. I've made plenty of posts saying that Pardew is doing very well despite having to do his job with his hands tied behind his back, I made a post on Newcastle Online about 5 years ago saying he was a good up and coming manager. This appointment is more luck than judgement, he will lose his job eventually for either becoming frustrated at the lack of ambition and voicing the frustration [and being poached by someone who acts bigger and backs their managers ie Stoke, Wigan etc, or he will be sacked for not qualifying for europe despite having his best players sold against his wishes and not given the money to replace them well enough. This run will not last, it will not be sustained long term, and this is the reason why. Time will prove me to be correct. Why do I have to continue educating you and others like you like this, its basic common sense, it isn't rocket science, and the entire history of the game proves the formula is the one you need to be successful and thrive especially when you are one of the biggest clubs in the country with one of the best grounds in europe [courtesy of the ex owners who did it by following the standard methods ie keeping your best players and buying more quality players] Why do you constantly repeat the same old stuff over and over again when nobody is arguing with the points you make about Ashleys approach as an owner?? Stop harping on about what happened years ago, when even towards the end of the Halls/Freddy era the wheels were starting to come off as the finances dried up. As for the club staring bankruptcy in the face when they bought it well it wasnt far from it when they sold it. You reckon, even under the old regime we would be competing with City,Chelsea, Man Utd?? As for your comparisons with stoke, £10m for Crouch? they are welcome to shite like that. Im happy with the players who have been brought in, its not about the money its about the quality and getting value. £85m for Carroll and Torres combined has delivered how many goals for their new cubs? Every fan wants the club to compete at the top but sadly the reality is without a bottomless pit of cash or a very talented/lucky manager with a strong squad its going to prove very difficult. If Liverpool finish outside the top four then for all the investment they will have failed, an objective stated by their chairman or do you see it otherwise? If we finish in the top 6 and off the back of the start we have had is quite possible would you see that as a success?? We cant do much about what goes on at the top but IF we continue to get results on the pitch then as a fan I`m happy with that until we get an owner who wants/has the cash to build a club to challenge the likes of City and United

This is pretty much stance. Not many clubs would have turned down the Carroll money and Liverpool are probably regretting spending so much, especially when they see what they could have got (Kun) for less. Nolan and Barton although very good for us weren't worth the contracts they were demanding. Enrique is a big loss and was worth a very big wage but he seems ambitious and Liverpool are a bigger club than we are. I have little doubt Ashley has no qualms about selling players if the money is right but I don't think we will be selling players unless very good offers come in for them. the difference being, dummy, that the money is going into Mike Ashleys back pocket rather than giving it back to the manager and allowing him to try and keep who he wants and buy who he wants to build a good football team. No Dummy , the money going into Ashleys pocket argument can't be proven. Just because Pardew doesn't get ALL the money generated by transfers doesn't mean its not going into the club and covering operating costs does it?? They have said they want the club to be able to stand on its own two feet financially without Ashley dipping into his own cash so you shouldn't be surprised at the above. It's not what people want but its what we've got but even you have to accept on the field we are doing pretty good and have not missed any of the players you constantly moan about us selling

Pretty sad to see him like that compared to how he was back in his prime. Reckon it may have been a different story if he went to Man utd. I don't think he's been off the booze for 11months either

His wages will be more than covered when the useless knacker Smith fucks off and the 6m fee is hardly megabucks

Not sure why people are worrying about it and banging on about how all the best players will be leaving. The reality is if a massive Carroll like offer comes in then yeah they will be. The other players who have gone, Jose in the last year of contract, Barton/Nolan wanted bumper contracts that the club wouldn't offer. All the players being mentioned have long contracts and IMO would take massive offers for them to go