Fop 1 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 The only thing that would work now is a poetic dictatorship with complete disregard for the unfathomable motivations of the masses. The PNP opening address? You betcha! Vote Parky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gejon 2 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 There's a lot of waffle in this thread.."dissatisfaction with main political parties...political correctness....policies adopting real change" is all irrelevent. Bottom line is that the BNP are bunch of abhorent racist cunts (a word somewhat over used on these boards so its effect has been lessened, but this is one occasion where its use is fully justified. And if you vote for them, so are you. There really isn't much more to say than that. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3990 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 This is nothing new. Very few people ever look below the headline soundbite of any party. This is how soundbites and advertising work. Most voters are interested in a problem being solved, not the detail of how it is solved. To answer your second point, this is why a lot of their "soundbite" headline policies appeal to more and more people. LAW AND ORDER - crack down on crime! The BNP will crack down on crime and restore public safety and confidence. We will free the police and courts from the politically correct straitjacket that is stopping them from doing their job properly. The liberal fixation with the ‘rights’ of criminals must be replaced by concern for the rights of victims, and the right of innocent people not to become victims. We support the re-introduction of corporal punishment for petty criminals and vandals, and the restoration of capital punishment for paedophiles, terrorists and murderers as an option for judges in cases where their guilt is proven beyond dispute, as by DNA evidence or being caught red-handed. IMMIGRATION - time to say ENOUGH! On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years. To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants EDUCATION - discipline, standards, achievement! We are against the ‘trendy’ teaching methods that have made Britain one of the most poorly educated nations in Europe. We will end the practice of politically correct indoctrination in all its guises and we will restore discipline in the classroom, give authority back to teachers DEFENCE - no more cuts! Successive cuts in defence spending have left Britain’s armed forces perilously weak. We will boost Britain’s armed forces to ensure that they are able to deal with any emergency, and defend our homeland and our independence. We will bring our troops back from Germany and withdraw from NATO, since recent political developments make both commitments obsolete. We will close all foreign military bases on British soil, and refuse to risk British lives in meddling ‘peace-keeping’ missions in parts of the world where no British interests are at stake We will also restore national service for our young with the option of civil or military service. Now, these are just a few "sounbite headline policies" that do have great appeal to a lot of people. I think as someone has already mentioned, the bnp will evolve into something more palatable on the racist front and continue to grow. Main parties take note. To simplify them as a bunch of cunts..... Is to buty your head in the sand. A perfect example of what we are talking about - if anyone actually thinks that the police can't do their job due to politcal correctness, that "pure" English people will be outbred in 50 years, that kids are indoctrinated and that national service would work they are too stupid to vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 If you read Oppenheimer, he reckons that British genes have survived in 75% of today's population from when we were populated 6000 years ago. If the gene pool has survived anglo-saxon and Norman invastions, it'll survive most things imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3990 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 If you read Oppenheimer, he reckons that British genes have survived in 75% of today's population from when we were populated 6000 years ago. If the gene pool has survived anglo-saxon and Norman invastions, it'll survive most things imo. They don't like the "nazi" label but how about another - Apartheid - the only way they could work their "system" is to define everybody's racial purity according to some arbitrary scale - as I said the more you dig the stupider it gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted June 7, 2009 Author Share Posted June 7, 2009 This is nothing new. Very few people ever look below the headline soundbite of any party. This is how soundbites and advertising work. Most voters are interested in a problem being solved, not the detail of how it is solved. To answer your second point, this is why a lot of their "soundbite" headline policies appeal to more and more people. LAW AND ORDER - crack down on crime! The BNP will crack down on crime and restore public safety and confidence. We will free the police and courts from the politically correct straitjacket that is stopping them from doing their job properly. The liberal fixation with the ‘rights’ of criminals must be replaced by concern for the rights of victims, and the right of innocent people not to become victims. We support the re-introduction of corporal punishment for petty criminals and vandals, and the restoration of capital punishment for paedophiles, terrorists and murderers as an option for judges in cases where their guilt is proven beyond dispute, as by DNA evidence or being caught red-handed. IMMIGRATION - time to say ENOUGH! On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years. To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants EDUCATION - discipline, standards, achievement! We are against the ‘trendy’ teaching methods that have made Britain one of the most poorly educated nations in Europe. We will end the practice of politically correct indoctrination in all its guises and we will restore discipline in the classroom, give authority back to teachers DEFENCE - no more cuts! Successive cuts in defence spending have left Britain’s armed forces perilously weak. We will boost Britain’s armed forces to ensure that they are able to deal with any emergency, and defend our homeland and our independence. We will bring our troops back from Germany and withdraw from NATO, since recent political developments make both commitments obsolete. We will close all foreign military bases on British soil, and refuse to risk British lives in meddling ‘peace-keeping’ missions in parts of the world where no British interests are at stake We will also restore national service for our young with the option of civil or military service. Now, these are just a few "sounbite headline policies" that do have great appeal to a lot of people. I think as someone has already mentioned, the bnp will evolve into something more palatable on the racist front and continue to grow. Main parties take note. To simplify them as a bunch of cunts..... Is to buty your head in the sand. A perfect example of what we are talking about - if anyone actually thinks that the police can't do their job due to politcal correctness, that "pure" English people will be outbred in 50 years, that kids are indoctrinated and that national service would work they are too stupid to vote. you truly have your head in the sand if you really believe what you have just posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3990 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 you truly have your head in the sand if you really believe what you have just posted Prove any or all of those assertions with links. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 If you read Oppenheimer, he reckons that British genes have survived in 75% of today's population from when we were populated 6000 years ago. If the gene pool has survived anglo-saxon and Norman invastions, it'll survive most things imo. Isn't Wales rather "different" though? Although given that many of the waves of UK immigration came from places that were pretty much genetically identical it might be hard to tell. The BBC used to have a nice graph of how they reckon populations moved and spread in the UK (post-Roman, which was a different kettle of fish, anyway). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted June 7, 2009 Author Share Posted June 7, 2009 you truly have your head in the sand if you really believe what you have just posted Prove any or all of those assertions with links. you prove what you say with links Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9135 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 the foreigners are coming the foreigners are coming! Fucking hell there's some paranoid folk in the world. Luke is right, by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Links ftw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3990 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 you truly have your head in the sand if you really believe what you have just posted Prove any or all of those assertions with links. you prove what you say with links The burden of proof is ion the positive. I don't remember the police being stopped from doing their jobs due to and political correctness - in fact the opposite - they have used new powers to harass enviromental protestors, football fans and Muslims in the last couple of years on many occasions. It's less than two months since they contributed to someone's death at a demo - was that prevented by political correctness? I've already stated that the 50 years thing is shit - a flawed report which got its maths completely wrong - how can less than 2% of 60m people "out-breed" the rest in 2 generations when the difference in birthrate is miniscule - would you care to explain it? The only indoctrination kids get is religious - somethiong I'd stop - but since the vast majority of that is Christian why would you or the BNP object? - or are you objecting to kids learning about other cultures in a pure Mail style. As for national service the armed forced keep telling us that they don't want it - I can remember it first being suggested in the 80s and the army was horrified at the prospect of their professionalism being diluted by scrotes. It's another policy desined to appeal to cretins who would be absolutely horrified if their kids were called up - or even bterr themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 A perfect example of what we are talking about - if anyone actually thinks that the police can't do their job due to politcal correctness, that "pure" English people will be outbred in 50 years, that kids are indoctrinated and that national service would work they are too stupid to vote. Thing is though they have nuggets of truth inside the usual political spin. The police are very target driven and very politically controlled/aware (the ACPO is frankly scary and is in many ways a commercial enterprise - OCP policing might not be that far away ), there is no "PC department" bringing them to heel, but fear (and insurance bizarrely) tends to do an even more effective job, and trust in the police is ever degrading (a lot of people again spend a lot of time worrying about how to build trust in the police in minorities - and fair enough - but if you're losing trust from your majorities then you have a really big problem). Current population demographics do have the UK population changing massive (in an utterly unprecedented scale) in the next 50 years (due to plummeting birth rate in the native population, immigration itself and still very high birth rate in 1st, 2nd and 3rd generation immigrant populations), but of course there will be another 3 billion people on the planet by then. With 9,000,000,000+ in total, the current UK population is a drop in the ocean. UK education is pretty dire in all sorts of ways, and serious assaults on teachers continue to rise from being practically unheard of just 20 years ago. And whilst their defence policy is more than a little bizarre, their military/civil national service is no more than several other parties have suggested in various guises. All political parties promise the moon on a stick and deliver very little, but again the best way to neuter the BNP is to actually effectively address these issues and openly debate peoples concerns. Politicians and other unelected authority figures telling people they are stupid and/or shouldn't have those sort of views does nothing but make the BNP stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9135 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Thing is CT, the BNP isn't the answer to a single issue that Fop has mentioned. Not one. They'd make life worse for everyone, not just those of the un-wanted ethnicities. I can't believe that people don't see how simple it is for the radical right (or left) to make impressive promises, without ever needing to do anything to back it up. They're filling the ill-educated with propaganda and empty rhetoric, just as much and the central parties. The only difference is that when they do, they sow the seed of hatred, bigotry, ignorance and violence. Their policies and actions are indefensible. The central parties are broken, this much is obvious, but leaning towards a radical, preposterous group is not the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Thing is CT, the BNP isn't the answer to a single issue that Fop has mentioned. Not one. They'd make life worse for everyone, not just those of the un-wanted ethnicities. I can't believe that people don't see how simple it is for the radical right (or left) to make impressive promises, without ever needing to do anything to back it up. They're filling the ill-educated with propaganda and empty rhetoric, just as much and the central parties. The only difference is that when they do, they sow the seed of hatred, bigotry, ignorance and violence. Their policies and actions are indefensible. The central parties are broken, this much is obvious, but leaning towards a radical, preposterous group is not the answer. The political system never fixes anything until it completely and utterly has to do so (just look at expenses). The rise of the BNP is a barometer, at what point other parties will actually start to take active notice , Labour for one is terrified of them, but doesn't seem to grasp how to re-engage with their historical core vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9135 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 The political system never fixes anything until it completely and utterly has to do so (just look at expenses). The rise of the BNP is a barometer, at what point other parties will actually start to take active notice , Labour for one is terrified of them, but doesn't seem to grasp how to re-engage with their historical core vote. You're right of course, I just wish that people were a little less willing to believe the absurd nonsense spat out by Griffin et al. Why they take these demagogues on face value is a mystery, especially when it's so bloody obvious they're little more than a group of organised racists. But, fear not, Obama will save us all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonGoodwyn 1 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 If you read Oppenheimer, he reckons that British genes have survived in 75% of today's population from when we were populated 6000 years ago. If the gene pool has survived anglo-saxon and Norman invastions, it'll survive most things imo. Aye, common misconcption. Its hardly surprising though - If you invade an island you don't kill everyone thats lives there and replace them - that would mean killing a few million people, then shipping over another few million across the channel, they just adapt and embrace the culture. Not that that has anything to do with the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3990 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Politicians and other unelected authority figures telling people they are stupid and/or shouldn't have those sort of views does nothing but make the BNP stronger. There is of course an alternative - ask the BNP to cost all of their policies. Of course I doubt they have the intelligence to do that and their supporters wouldn't understand the results but it would be a start. Two things generally decide elections - whether its perceived a government has had enough time (which will do for Labour) and the economy which is why things like Iraq or immigration don't "really" matter. On this basis the BNP has no chance. One thing we shouldn't get away from is that anyone who votes for them is a racist - I don't care if they're a genius or a Sunderland fan - they can't get away from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 If you read Oppenheimer, he reckons that British genes have survived in 75% of today's population from when we were populated 6000 years ago. If the gene pool has survived anglo-saxon and Norman invastions, it'll survive most things imo. Aye, common misconcption. Its hardly surprising though - If you invade an island you don't kill everyone thats lives there and replace them - that would mean killing a few million people, then shipping over another few million across the channel, they just adapt and embrace the culture. Not that that has anything to do with the subject. I think its relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonGoodwyn 1 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 If you read Oppenheimer, he reckons that British genes have survived in 75% of today's population from when we were populated 6000 years ago. If the gene pool has survived anglo-saxon and Norman invastions, it'll survive most things imo. Aye, common misconcption. Its hardly surprising though - If you invade an island you don't kill everyone thats lives there and replace them - that would mean killing a few million people, then shipping over another few million across the channel, they just adapt and embrace the culture. Not that that has anything to do with the subject. I think its relevant. What your saying is, what I'm saying isn't - I just wanted to show off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3990 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Regardless of what you or me think, they are becoming more popular and there are more and more people voting for them who would not consider themselves to be racist. Fop has pretty much nailed why this is and what the remedies are. That may be true but they should be told what they are voting for in no uncertain terms. If they still think that the BNP represents their views then I think they have to accept being called racists. If the response is "yeah and so what" then at least its out there to be argued against but this idea that it can be respectable to vote for them just because you're concerned about immigraion has to be nailed for the bullshit it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26738 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Dimbelby vs Griffin on BBC1 at the minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke 1 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 I hope Dimbleby kicked his fucking head in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26738 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 He didn't really address the election at all. His main question was 'why will your party only accept White members?' To which he came up with two feeble excuses, one to do with protecting their members if they're sacked for being members by being able to appeal to the Race Relations Commission, the very group they would disband. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted June 7, 2009 Author Share Posted June 7, 2009 I hope Dimbleby kicked his fucking head in. spoken like a true braindead thug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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