Christmas Tree 3997 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 What do you make of his "inside knowlegde" CT...theres stuff in there you can only get from having a good relationship with the staff at the club you're covering. Its hardly earth shattering stuff, but you know its been sanctioned from the changing room. Access like that has to be worked on and you dont get it by slaughtering the manager. That's my point. He's not going to do a balanced Pardew piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34450 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Best we come on here and read your stuff if we want a balanced view. You're balanced in the sense that you sit on both sides of the argument simultaneously, like a great big fat pair of twins on a seesaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14585 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 (edited) That's my point. He's not going to do a balanced Pardew piece. Bird said Pardew has fucked certain things up this season in his piece, dont think anyone would disagree with him or you on that. What you then get is Pardew's take on these things such as the set piece thing etc etc...his piece is balanced, you appear to want a hatchet job. Not going to happen. Edited April 23, 2013 by PaddockLad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Bird said Pardew has certain fucked things up this season in his piece, dont think anyone would disagree with him or you on that. What you then get is Pardew's take on these things such as the set piece thing etc etc...his piece is balanced, you appear to want a hatchet job. Not going to happen. He doesn't say that at all! He talks about "tactics tweaked". He highlights a lot of the problems but falls shirt of saying where the blame lies. Just look at his sunderland bit. Alan noticed the poor work rate so worked on it for the West Brom game!!! It's been missing most of the season man. It's not Pardews fault we have been crap at set pieces it's that we need more big men in the summer. It's all excuses and bollocks. It's not a case of what sort of article I would like, it's a case of if he's going to tackle the issue he should do it properly not feeding shit like the two examples I gave. Given they need to stay onside they would be better off leaving alone altogether . Pardew could have written that (possibly did) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14585 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 (edited) He doesn't say that at all! He talks about "tactics tweaked". He highlights a lot of the problems but falls shirt of saying where the blame lies. Just look at his sunderland bit. Alan noticed the poor work rate so worked on it for the West Brom game!!! It's been missing most of the season man. It's not Pardews fault we have been crap at set pieces it's that we need more big men in the summer. It's all excuses and bollocks. It's not a case of what sort of article I would like, it's a case of if he's going to tackle the issue he should do it properly not feeding shit like the two examples I gave. Given they need to stay onside they would be better off leaving alone altogether . Pardew could have written that (possibly did) You said the article wasnt balanced before you moved the goalposts...again... If you dont agree with the sdpin coming out here then thats fine. But it is balanced. This: ]But the reality is Newcastle deserve a load of criticism for many of their performances and mistakes[/b]. Changes need to be made, tactics tweaked, attitudes sharpened up.They do not deserve fickle supporters calling for root and branch upheaval of the management team. is basically implicit criticism of Pardew. He makes those calls, but Bird stops short of caliing him personally fuckin useless as he wants to maintain a relationship. This: But the reality is Newcastle deserve a load of criticism for many of their performances and mistakes. Changes need to be made, tactics tweaked, attitudes sharpened up.They do not deserve fickle supporters calling for root and branch upheaval of the management team. blances the criticism. You can disagree if you want with the points, but as a piece of journalism it is balanced. Edited April 23, 2013 by PaddockLad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 You said the article wasnt balanced before you moved the goalposts...again... If you dont agree with the sdpin coming out here then thats fine. But it is balanced. This: is basically implicit criticism of Pardew. He makes those calls, but Bird stops short of caliing him personally fuckin useless as he wants to maintain a relationship. This: blances the criticism. You can disagree if you want with the points, but as a piece of journalism it is balanced. The only bit that you have quoted that clearly ties in to Pardew is the "tactics tweaked" bit. The rest could easily be meant for owners, players etc. As for the set piece excuse and sunderland lack of effort, but Alan noticed it bit.... really? You're buying that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I don't think calling half of the fans militants is a good idea either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Where do you get 'half' from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14585 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 The only bit that you have quoted that clearly ties in to Pardew is the "tactics tweaked" bit. The rest could easily be meant for owners, players etc. As for the set piece excuse and sunderland lack of effort, but Alan noticed it bit.... really? You're buying that? You dont understand what you stated in the first place. You said it was unbalanced, as a piece of journalism its plainly not. I happen to agree with some of the points you make, but one mans excuse is another mans valid point. We're allowed to say "no thats bollocks Alan". Whether we can than back it up is another question. But the point remains. the article balances crticism,reasons and the journo's own conclusions. We're allowed to disagree with the reasons, thats fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 You dont understand what you stated in the first place. You said it was unbalanced, as a piece of journalism its plainly not. I happen to agree with some of the points you make, but one mans excuse is another mans valid point. We're allowed to say "no thats bollocks Alan". Whether we can than back it up is another question. But the point remains. the article balances crticism,reasons and the journo's own conclusions. We're allowed to disagree with the reasons, thats fine. we'll have to disagree then. I certainly hope that if he does stay the tactics are a lot more than tweaked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I'm not sure in all honesty but I think it suites people's agenda against Ashley to say that he wouldn't offer a manager more than what Pardew is currently on. Look at the evolution of our signings for that to be proven. People also kept on saying that Ashley wouldn't pay whatever Coloccini wanted to sign a new contract and he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWalrus 0 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 yes because contract details are never leaked or speculated on and we might be willing to buy ronaldo , but history and current deals dispute that. Currently we haven't and i don't see why it should change hence my point. do you see us offering around treble what he's on now, so about 3million a year for someone? (which is what Moyes is on or Redknapp is on at QPR for example) Pardew's basic is very low, but he has a very generous performance related element to his deal. If he finished in the top 5 again, he'd easily be earning £3m per year, without a shadow of a doubt. If he finishes in 17th place, his bonus will be virtually nothing and his pay packet will reflect that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Be nice if we could see who voted for what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8989 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 And you should know better than most that statistics can be moulded to fit most viewpoints. Then why not provide evidence to back up your claims/assertions to refute HF's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13846 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 (edited) Then why not provide evidence to back up your claims/assertions to refute HF's? Simples, that would take up valuable time and after various exchanges Pardew would still be a mediocre manager. Futility. Edited April 23, 2013 by Christmas Tree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14585 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Simples, that would take up valuable time and after various exchanges Pardew would still be a mediocre manager. Futility. Why not just look on NO like you usually do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DubiousBobcat 0 Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 I must say, whether I like Pardew's tactics or not (and most on the board would have to scratch their heads at times) I would take stability in management any day over swapping managers every 5 minutes. Pardew can and will improve. The players can and will improve (Obertan with exception). I'd rather see that with stability over chopping and changing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17767 Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Which players have improved under Pardew this season? This is one of my concerns. Is it maybe none? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWalrus 0 Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 I wouldn't expect any significant improvement from players, given that half of them have been injured for long spells. Improvement comes with stability and familiarity of surroundings. We've been ravaged by injury this season and its not allowed us to play a settled side for any length of time. You know its been a bad one when you lose your keeper through two separate injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Cisse has become more prolific as the season's gone on. Taylor has had one of his better seasons too, overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Which players have improved under Pardew this season? This is one of my concerns. Is it maybe none? None Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38756 Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Be nice if we could see who voted for what. I'm one of the 2 that voted full backing , you disloyal twats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34450 Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Odd from the man who less than 12 months ago "could take the England B Team and make them into a great team". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 None You don't think your Shaney is any better? Or Marveaux has had more effect in the leaue than he did last year? Come on CT these guys are your bread and butter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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