Monkeys Fist 38939 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Just watched Trump as he walked on to make his acceptance speech- reminded me of Bruno on his way to the ring against Tyson. He looked fucking terrified! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/09/donald-trump-white-house-hillary-clinton-liberals  Start at the top. Why, oh why, did it have to be Hillary Clinton? Yes, she has an impressive resume; yes, she worked hard on the campaign trail. But she was exactly the wrong candidate for this angry, populist moment. An insider when the country was screaming for an outsider. A technocrat who offered fine-tuning when the country wanted to take a sledgehammer to the machine.  She was the Democratic candidate because it was her turn and because a Clinton victory would have moved every Democrat in Washington up a notch. Whether or not she would win was always a secondary matter, something that was taken for granted. Had winning been the party’s number one concern, several more suitable candidates were ready to go. There was Joe Biden, with his powerful plainspoken style, and there was Bernie Sanders, an inspiring and largely scandal-free figure. Each of them would probably have beaten Trump, but neither of them would really have served the interests of the party insiders.  And so Democratic leaders made Hillary their candidate even though they knew about her closeness to the banks, her fondness for war, and her unique vulnerability on the trade issue – each of which Trump exploited to the fullest. They chose Hillary even though they knew about her private email server. They chose her even though some of those who studied the Clinton Foundation suspected it was a sketchy proposition.  To try to put over such a nominee while screaming that the Republican is a rightwing monster is to court disbelief. If Trump is a fascist, as liberals often said, Democrats should have put in their strongest player to stop him, not a party hack they’d chosen because it was her turn. Choosing her indicated either that Democrats didn’t mean what they said about Trump’s riskiness, that their opportunism took precedence over the country’s well-being, or maybe both.  Good post. The DNC more or less wrote this in the stars with their selection of Clinton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 before the bombs start falling? Â By all accounts, Clinton is the one with that track record. Chin up man, this is infinitely better than the redo in 4 years time would have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Tbf we called the brexiters fuckwits too. Â We did - and I still kinda think they are. Tbf Brexit changed my entire political outlook - it's clear where the problems are and this result just underlines it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Brexiters on an individual level are fuckwits but collectively inadvertently started something that might be positive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38939 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Brexiters on an individual level are fuckwits but collectively inadvertently started something that might be positive Keep trying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9060 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 By all accounts, Clinton is the one with that track record. Chin up man, this is infinitely better than the redo in 4 years time would have been. Would it though? Had Clinton won, wouldn't the Republicans put a less clownish candidat.... Â Actually, fuck it, I'm off to make some toast, watch a Superhero movie and play Football Manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Keep trying Trying what? I'm just pointing out that politics that pander to the 1% will be a thing of the past when it sinks in that the electorate will revolt in the most radged of ways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5996 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 The neck on Renton to cry about Gemmill's piss-taking then moments later label HF as thick. Tbf last week he cried when I jokingly called him racist and then called Stevie racist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2455 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 (edited) It's a sensitive time. His judgement remains spot on, though. I think we should focus on the positives. Edited November 9, 2016 by toonotl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Agreed - the thing that's going to be difficult here is persuading people on the left to realign themselves against the centre. The longer they continue to think that this is happening because everyone is racist and bigoted, the longer the right will have control. The ignorance from the educated middle is actually quite surprising (not having a dig at anyone on here, I mean in comment sections on the Guardian and so on - and tbf, mostly younger people). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26588 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 We did - and I still kinda think they are. Tbf Brexit changed my entire political outlook - it's clear where the problems are and this result just underlines it. Â The problem is that people are stupid. The poor vote for him despite his pledges to cut taxes for the richest. He got 29% of the latin vote despite labeling them rapists and drug pushers. He got 42% of female voters despite claiming he could sexually assault them with impunity. Â The electorate is made up of idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 The problem is that people are stupid. The poor vote for him despite his pledges to cut taxes for the richest. He got 29% of the latin vote despite labeling them rapists and drug pushers. He got 42% of female voters despite claiming he could sexually assault them with impunity. Â The electorate is made up of idiots. Â The electorate had a bigger enemy to slay this time out than Trump. The identity politics drivel just isn't holding water for a lot of people. The MSM isn't either. It's hard to say that these are bad things, people voting past their identities for what they rightly or wrongly consider to be a better future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 The problem is that people are stupid. The poor vote for him despite his pledges to cut taxes for the richest. He got 29% of the latin vote despite labeling them rapists and drug pushers. He got 42% of female voters despite claiming he could sexually assault them with impunity. Â The electorate is made up of idiots. I'll expect you round later to have a nibble on my arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26588 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 The electorate had a bigger enemy to slay this time out than Trump. The identity politics drivel just isn't holding water for a lot of people. The MSM isn't either. It's hard to say that these are bad things, people voting past their identities for what they rightly or wrongly consider to be a better future. Â Nope. The electorate is thick. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38939 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 I'll expect you round later to have a nibble on my arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26588 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 (edited) I'll expect you round later to have a nibble on my arse. Â I will refer you to my earlier instruction. Â Even broken clocks... Â Anyway, Parky, FYI: Â Â Â Edited November 9, 2016 by ewerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Ok  Maybe it's all a bit too raw at the moment. I agree that the people voting for this are the less well educated fwiw - but they're intelligent enough to know when they're being shafted, it would seem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30563 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Not sure what his actual policies will be but I have to say that we should remember that Reagan was a complete cunt and Bush senior wasn't much better. Younger Bush was probably a semi-decent bloke but he was surrounded by people who are probably more evil than Trump even dreams about. Just saying. Â Â I also think it serves the democratic party completely right for backing and sticking with someone so unlikeable they couldn't even beat Donald Trump. Yeah, I think that, despite there not being a single overriding reason for this, it's as much about Clinton's lack of popularity as anything else. Democracy is overrated anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26588 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Ok  Maybe it's all a bit too raw at the moment. I agree that the people voting for this are the less well educated fwiw - but they're intelligent enough to know when they're being shafted, it would seem.  Of course they aren't. They are voting against their own interest in favour of attacking a bigger, hypothetical enemy. The immigrants, the terrorists, the abortion lovers, the gun stealers. The right can go to this level and that is why they are winning. People will lap it up. People are morons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 To calm some fears. The political architecture in America is set up for compromise. Lot of the Trump rhetoric will be reigned in over the coming months. There will be one or two marquee elements in his desire for new legislation...But it's a long old road and he's gonna have to learn on the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17876 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Tbf I called HF stupid once only on account that: 1) He has continually championed wikileaks, in particular the selective release of ones that cast the Clinton campaign in a bad light. 2) He is surprised and somewhat dismayed at the result. Â Now, we all know that the negative content of these leaks was minimal, nothing compared to the revelations of Trump or even his onstage antics. But that wasn't the point for Assange. They fed the narrative of crooked Hillary and that was almost certainly enough to swing it against her in some of the key marginals. So I think it's a pretty stupid position to hold personally. Â It's done now, and a few on here have convinced themselves it's for the best. I sincerely don't think this or Brexit are for the best at all, I think they are huge retrograde steps which may negatively impact us all. That's conjecture at this stage but brexit has been shite so far. Globally, thus is much, much worse. Â Call that a meltdown if you like, just wanted to clarify my position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Nope. The electorate is thick. Â Perhaps giving them a fairer deal will stop them casting thick votes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26588 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Yeah, I think that, despite there not being a single overriding reason for this, it's as much about Clinton's lack of popularity as anything else. Democracy is overrated anyway. Â Voter turnout was up 4.7%. Trump's ability to whip up hatred against Clinton is what won the election imo. Despite the fact that she hadn't done that much wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26588 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Perhaps giving them a fairer deal will stop them casting thick votes  What is this fairer deal that Trump proposed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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