RobinRobin 11151 Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21364 Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 Latest electoral calculus has Labour at 99% chance of winning a majority. Christ, this is with Starmer, imagine what Blair would have done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 9461 Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 56 minutes ago, Renton said: Latest electoral calculus has Labour at 99% chance of winning a majority. Christ, this is with Starmer, imagine what Blair would have done? Do some headers with Keegan and commit war crimes. I don't think he's changed that much tbh 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5186 Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 So the question I have here, is that given Labour doesn't need a 236 seat majority to form a government, how much more left wing and progressive could they be while still having a majority? I'd rather they had a few more useful policies than 200 seats they don't need. Anyway clearly my vote isn't going to be missed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34876 Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 52 minutes ago, Rayvin said: So the question I have here, is that given Labour doesn't need a 236 seat majority to form a government, how much more left wing and progressive could they be while still having a majority? I'd rather they had a few more useful policies than 200 seats they don't need. Anyway clearly my vote isn't going to be missed It’s depressing, mate. But strategically, why would you do anything different? I’m not advocating/justifying it. And I agree with you. But the strategists close to Starmer will be telling him to sit on his hands. I think a lot of these types (whilst preferable to those who’ve worked for the current lot) just see winning the election with a huge majority as success. That’s it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34876 Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Renton said: Latest electoral calculus has Labour at 99% chance of winning a majority. Christ, this is with Starmer, imagine what Blair would have done? Not much different. It’s all about the government and their shitshow. I do follow that site a bit. And while it’s not quite the level of the Truss / Kwarteng nadir for the Tories, that’s a worse showing than the collated polls for the previous month. Barring something incredible it’s an absolute done deal. I’d personally like a pact with the Lib Dems that almost wipes the shitehawks off the map. But I think they’re too far apart on PR. Edited November 1, 2023 by Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5186 Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 4 minutes ago, Alex said: It’s depressing, mate. But strategically, why would you do anything different? I’m not advocating/justifying it. And I agree with you. But the strategists close to Starmer will be telling him to sit on his hands. I think a lot of these types (whilst preferable to those who’ve worked for the current lot) just see winning the election with a huge majority as success. That’s it I think they could push their advantage here, they could be proposing some really strong stuff and still get a landslide IMO. But they're so traumatised by recent history that apparently we're going to get the safest of safe. I would do it differently yes but then I'm not a politician. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4373 Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 None of them believe in "strong stuff". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34876 Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 Just now, Rayvin said: I think they could push their advantage here, they could be proposing some really strong stuff and still get a landslide IMO. But they're so traumatised by recent history that apparently we're going to get the safest of safe. I would do it differently yes but then I'm not a politician. I think you’re spot on. It feels like a lot longer with everything that has happened. But really it’s only the last election where they suffered a chastening defeat. They’ll also recall how Corbyn (I’m not trying to reopen that debate) wouldn’t play the game in terms of saying the right things and the press ripped into him with devastating effect. So they’re being very cautious. I wouldn’t want them to be complacent but I also feel it’s an opportunity that’s being missed. You can’t really see them becoming more brave once they’re in 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42105 Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 We’ve gone so far to the right that a pack of centrists will feel like Che Guevara has strolled in to Downing St. I’ll be happy with a PM that doesn’t make my fucking skin crawl , to start with. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4373 Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 Reeves is the problem for me. I think Starmer does have some decent leanings on a few things despite being willing to deny it to ensure power but he's put all his faith in someone as chancellor who I've never heard or read say anything remotely in line with public investment or anything else "Labour". 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30295 Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 15 minutes ago, NJS said: Reeves is the problem for me. I think Starmer does have some decent leanings on a few things despite being willing to deny it to ensure power but he's put all his faith in someone as chancellor who I've never heard or read say anything remotely in line with public investment or anything else "Labour". As with Starmer I’ve no idea what Reeves actually believes in as she’s given us no indication. As far as I can see Labour have identified three areas where they are weak from the last 15 years: the EU, the economy and being too revolutionary. They have chosen a path of being as deliberately bland and inoffensive. They can’t announce any major spending plans as the first question will be ‘where is the money coming from?’ and because of the reasons just mentioned they can’t say tax rises or borrowing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21364 Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 Begining of the end of the SNP? Iirc the way their vot is spread they are very senitive to small swings, and could lose a swathe of MPs very easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3843 Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 2 hours ago, Renton said: Begining of the end of the SNP? Iirc the way their vot is spread they are very senitive to small swings, and could lose a swathe of MPs very easily. Fuck me Rents have you never heard of Boethius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21364 Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said: Fuck me Rents have you never heard of Boethius. Well no, not really, you've got me scoobied with that response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3843 Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Renton said: Well no, not really, you've got me scoobied with that response. Life is a wheel, no one party stays in power forever Labour will come and go SNP will fade and come back. I remember the Tories won a good chunk of seats under Ruth Davidson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21364 Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 Well yeah, I didn't mean a permanent end to the SNP. Probably missed a generational chance for independence mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17111 Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 @Kevin Carr's Gloves are the SNP bent or what? Were the leadership distracting the populace by bellowing “FREEEEEEDOMM!!” every five mins whilst trousering tax payers money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3843 Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 52 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: @Kevin Carr's Gloves are the SNP bent or what? Were the leadership distracting the populace by bellowing “FREEEEEEDOMM!!” every five mins whilst trousering tax payers money? Not taxpayers donations were made for one thing and they used it for another. Allegedly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15412 Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 War in the Middle East, ongoing Covid enquiry? Nah, let's go with this for our front page splash. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42105 Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 Isn’t Doreen Norris a published fiction author? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 11151 Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 9461 Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 49 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said: Isn’t Doreen Norris a published fiction author? Aye but it's only erotic fan fiction about Bojo blowing his balls on her face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42105 Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 37 minutes ago, Dazzler said: Aye but it's only erotic fan fiction about Bojo blowing his balls on her face. There’s a lovely mental image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 9461 Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said: There’s a lovely mental image. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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