RobinRobin 13201 Posted Saturday at 01:45 Share Posted Saturday at 01:45 12 hours ago, spongebob toonpants said: It's not about making Isreal safe, it's all about keeping Netanyahu in power. Same as the whole build up to and response to Oct 7 Indeed. Won't be remotely surprised to be told much later that he had prior intelligence about October 7 and was prepared to sacrifice some for his plans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 24556 Posted Saturday at 15:07 Share Posted Saturday at 15:07 my famlly in israel are once again cowering in bomb shelters, petrified as iranian rockets fall over their home towns. i truly fucking despise netanyhu for all the misery and suffering he has brought to people on all sides of this conflict 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6667 Posted Saturday at 17:28 Share Posted Saturday at 17:28 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43902372 Just worth remembering whose fault this ultimately is. Trump binned the previous deal with Iran because: 1 - Obama had agreed it. 2 - He wanted to buddy up to Netanyahu who didn't like the Obama deal. 3 - He was listening to hawks in his cabinet who never would have been in office in any respectable administration. Had we not binned that, maybe now we wouldn't be here. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6667 Posted Saturday at 17:38 Share Posted Saturday at 17:38 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7872pngj2qo We are now going to have yet another inquiry into grooming gangs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 13201 Posted Sunday at 02:36 Share Posted Sunday at 02:36 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6667 Posted Monday at 21:35 Share Posted Monday at 21:35 On 14/06/2025 at 18:38, Rayvin said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7872pngj2qo We are now going to have yet another inquiry into grooming gangs... This audit they've just done has stipulated that we need a new inquiry to address a few different things that, with the exception of one around the definition of rape, were already in the previous inquiries. Even the one 10 years ago - and yes, including the ethnicity tracking stuff and whatever. If we need an inquiry into anything, it's why the Tories did fuck all about this for the entire time they were in power. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 24280 Posted Tuesday at 06:01 Share Posted Tuesday at 06:01 https://www.instagram.com/reel/DHvRtTOIGSF/?igsh=NXc4d2cxaXcwMmc3 You won't be surprised but I fucking hate fiona Bruce. She's an extremely shit host and 'journalist' Ive read this guys book it's good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 20151 Posted Tuesday at 06:45 Share Posted Tuesday at 06:45 8 hours ago, Rayvin said: This audit they've just done has stipulated that we need a new inquiry to address a few different things that, with the exception of one around the definition of rape, were already in the previous inquiries. Even the one 10 years ago - and yes, including the ethnicity tracking stuff and whatever. If we need an inquiry into anything, it's why the Tories did fuck all about this for the entire time they were in power. There are issues to be addressed tbh. There is a definitive line in the sand on all this; the time before Nazir Afzal was appointed chief of the CPS for the NW and the time before that. At that point there were no pending prosecutions despite large scale investigations during the preceding decade where police, social services and councillors all prevaricated, obstructed and lied about the crimes being committed. The victims were largely from care homes and literally no one was listening to them. Afzal reopened the investigations and the prosecutions started. There has been a statute of limitations in place for these individuals up till now so they've got away with it but this is going to be a statutory enquiry so they are going to be compelled to give evidence should they be called. Not sure if prosecutions will result, that will probably depend on evidence. The fact that this has had to be dragged out of any government by a howling mob on social media is a fucking disgrace iyam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4782 Posted Tuesday at 07:29 Share Posted Tuesday at 07:29 Too many people want the conclusion to be "because they were Asian" and they don't/won't like the conclusion of past reports and probably this one which is "because the victims don't matter". As I've said before see also Hillsborough/Aberfan/Grenfell etc, etc, 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 24890 Posted Tuesday at 08:41 Share Posted Tuesday at 08:41 1 hour ago, NJS said: Too many people want the conclusion to be "because they were Asian" and they don't/won't like the conclusion of past reports and probably this one which is "because the victims don't matter". As I've said before see also Hillsborough/Aberfan/Grenfell etc, etc, Both can be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6667 Posted Tuesday at 11:25 Share Posted Tuesday at 11:25 4 hours ago, PaddockLad said: There are issues to be addressed tbh. There is a definitive line in the sand on all this; the time before Nazir Afzal was appointed chief of the CPS for the NW and the time before that. At that point there were no pending prosecutions despite large scale investigations during the preceding decade where police, social services and councillors all prevaricated, obstructed and lied about the crimes being committed. The victims were largely from care homes and literally no one was listening to them. Afzal reopened the investigations and the prosecutions started. There has been a statute of limitations in place for these individuals up till now so they've got away with it but this is going to be a statutory enquiry so they are going to be compelled to give evidence should they be called. Not sure if prosecutions will result, that will probably depend on evidence. The fact that this has had to be dragged out of any government by a howling mob on social media is a fucking disgrace iyam If they want to go after the people complicit in negligence around this then fair enough, though that's not what I've interpreted the purpose of this to be. The recommendations it has cited for improving the situation are the same ones we've had the past 3 times, and it's deeply frustrating to see all these right wingers now running around as if they've scored some sort of huge victory here by compelling the government to look at collecting ethnicity data and consider cultural factors. We had that 'victory' a decade ago in the 2015 one. Having said that, if the point of all of this is to go after people who were previously being protected, then fair enough - I've not seen that written anywhere except in your post so forgive my ignorance on it. If that is the big difference between this one and the others, then fine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 8085 Posted Tuesday at 11:39 Share Posted Tuesday at 11:39 Conservatives are so fucking weird 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 24890 Posted Tuesday at 13:33 Share Posted Tuesday at 13:33 1 hour ago, Kid Dynamite said: Conservatives are so fucking weird Why do they hate our country so much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 24280 Posted Tuesday at 15:57 Share Posted Tuesday at 15:57 Fucking embarrassing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 13038 Posted Tuesday at 16:07 Share Posted Tuesday at 16:07 4 hours ago, Kid Dynamite said: Conservatives are so fucking weird Starmer helping a dementia sufferer whilst their lot wanted to let them all die in 2020. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 7996 Posted Tuesday at 19:09 Share Posted Tuesday at 19:09 America on the brink of engaging Iran. The amount of military hardware the yanks are shifting there can’t be just coincidental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6667 Posted Tuesday at 19:53 Share Posted Tuesday at 19:53 Why on earth are the US getting involved in this... I thought they were meant to be all about non intervention now ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6667 Posted Tuesday at 20:01 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:01 The UK is sending the RAF so that we too might entangle ourselves in this chaos. Some little quisling in the Labour cabinet called John Healey has claimed we're moving planes over there to 'protect our assets in Cyprus from Iran' but then added 'we may also support our allies'. There is going to be no persuading me to vote for Labour if they get us mixed up in regime change in Iran, mind. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 16946 Posted Tuesday at 20:25 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:25 30 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Why on earth are the US getting involved in this... I thought they were meant to be all about non intervention now ffs. Because Huckabee texted Trump to tell him he's god's chosen one, basically 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 20151 Posted yesterday at 00:26 Share Posted yesterday at 00:26 (edited) 13 hours ago, Rayvin said: If they want to go after the people complicit in negligence around this then fair enough, though that's not what I've interpreted the purpose of this to be. The recommendations it has cited for improving the situation are the same ones we've had the past 3 times, and it's deeply frustrating to see all these right wingers now running around as if they've scored some sort of huge victory here by compelling the government to look at collecting ethnicity data and consider cultural factors. We had that 'victory' a decade ago in the 2015 one. Having said that, if the point of all of this is to go after people who were previously being protected, then fair enough - I've not seen that written anywhere except in your post so forgive my ignorance on it. If that is the big difference between this one and the others, then fine. Not behind a paywall at the moment... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/359b6da9d9baf06b It is now 🙄 https://archive.is/k6FCK Edited yesterday at 00:29 by PaddockLad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 24556 Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago On 17/06/2025 at 20:53, Rayvin said: Why on earth are the US getting involved in this... I thought they were meant to be all about non intervention now ffs. it completely splits the republican party down the middle - you've got the maga non interventionists saying stay out of it, and the a load of neo cons senators, such as ted cruz, calling for regime change. netanyahu has completely played trump and i think he may well get what he wants 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 24556 Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago this all goes back to obama's nuclear deal which trump just had to abandon because he's such a fucking baby he couldn't accept that anything his predecessor did was of any merit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 13038 Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago 21 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: it completely splits the republican party down the middle - you've got the maga non interventionists saying stay out of it, and the a load of neo cons senators, such as ted cruz, calling for regime change. netanyahu has completely played trump and i think he may well get what he wants Long term I think this could yield a net positive because it blows a big hole in the theory that has been peddled that Trump is a strong leader with an emphasis on America first. He's been mind fucked by two wannabe dictators and is on the brink of kicking off an international conflict. One he tried to start in 2020 until covid ruined his plans - something the incels that pipe him off forget (or choose to ignore) when they call him a peaceful president. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6667 Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago On 17/06/2025 at 21:25, Meenzer said: Because Huckabee texted Trump to tell him he's god's chosen one, basically I thought this comment was facetious but I've just seen it. There are no words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 13038 Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago "Soz mate, we're full" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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