ewerk 26413 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Just now, NJS said: Simple question - what do they reject and what's their alternative? Just have a look at their website https://theindependent.group/ Oh, it doesn't work... Well that's a promising start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 16703 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 16703 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Quote Luciana Berger is being asked about the anti-seminitsm issue. She says they saw the unprecedented sight of a minority community taking to parliament square to protest against racism in her majesty’s opposition. She talks about the battle to get the party to adopt the IHRA definition of anti-semitism. Angela Smith says it is incumbent on everyone to acknowledge the problem with anti-semitism in the Labour party. She says it is one of the major reasons for their departure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26413 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 There's no anti-semitism in the Labour party. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gemmill 34533 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 I don't see that they had much choice tbh. Particularly Berger. The Labour Party is a fucking shitshow under Corbyn and just sitting on your hands can't be the answer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34533 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 The dickhead Labour MPs tweeting self righteously should take a look at exactly how effective they're being in their "opposition" to the current government. They weren't getting into power anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3981 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 I don't see how Corbyn being leader has suddenly meant a shit load of anti-semites joining Labour. As I've said before being pro-Palestinian can go too far but I'll bet there have been those elements for years. Social media doesn't help of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26413 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, NJS said: I don't see how Corbyn being leader has suddenly meant a shit load of anti-semites joining Labour. As I've said before being pro-Palestinian can go too far but I'll bet there have been those elements for years. Social media doesn't help of course. It's like the rise in racism we've seen since Brexit. They feel like Corbyn's leadership has validated their prejudices and that has emboldened them. Meanwhile Labour has dragged their feet at every opportunity to address those problems. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Most importantly it just shouldn't be an issue in Labour. It should have just been shut the fuck down since it was the only thing the Tories really had on Labour that would stick. I don't personally believe many in the public genuinely care about it, but the MPs and politicians really seem to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19828 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 28 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Most importantly it just shouldn't be an issue in Labour. It should have just been shut the fuck down since it was the only thing the Tories really had on Labour that would stick. I don't personally believe many in the public genuinely care about it, but the MPs and politicians really seem to. Yeah, who cares about the Jews? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: Yeah, who cares about the Jews? We have a public just barely able to force itself to keep a passing interest in Brexit, the biggest political issue this country has faced in decades. Need I go on? EDIT - I will add, to take the edge off, that no one seems to care about anyone. Edited February 18, 2019 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30440 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Rayvin said: We have a public just barely able to force itself to keep a passing interest in Brexit, the biggest political issue this country has faced in decades. Need I go on? EDIT - I will add, to take the edge off, that no one seems to care about anyone. Apart from the cast of Love Island, TOWIE, Geordie Shore and half a dozen Muslims crossing the channel on a lilo 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 10004 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34533 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Aye, great start. They've got the bloke who worked with a gay cure organisation and the woman who describes people as "funny tinged". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30440 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 6 hours ago, wykikitoon said: As opposed to the Labour Party, who are doing it collectively Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5933 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 8 hours ago, Gemmill said: I don't see that they had much choice tbh. Particularly Berger. The Labour Party is a fucking shitshow under Corbyn and just sitting on your hands can't be the answer. It is a shit show, but is it the hotbed of antisemitism it's made out to be? Bearing in mind that's the cross these 7 have nailed themselves to. I hear this accusation daily atm with no actual evidence of any antisemitism taking place? It's like a stick used to beat Corbyn with when they should be concentrating on his actual faults rather than the ones the media spin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 16703 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 https://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.com/2019/02/what-you-need-to-know-about-seven.html?m=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19828 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: It is a shit show, but is it the hotbed of antisemitism it's made out to be? Bearing in mind that's the cross these 7 have nailed themselves to. I hear this accusation daily atm with no actual evidence of any antisemitism taking place? It's like a stick used to beat Corbyn with when they should be concentrating on his actual faults rather than the ones the media spin It is an actual fault. He is driving Jewish people away from the Labour Party. For Umuna it was about Brexit, again perfectly understandable. Tom Watson nails it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26413 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: It is a shit show, but is it the hotbed of antisemitism it's made out to be? Bearing in mind that's the cross these 7 have nailed themselves to. I hear this accusation daily atm with no actual evidence of any antisemitism taking place? It's like a stick used to beat Corbyn with when they should be concentrating on his actual faults rather than the ones the media spin Corbyn literally has a shadow minister who suggested relocating Israel to the USA. If you haven’t seen any evidence of antisemitism in Corbyn’s Labour then you’re blind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 12 minutes ago, wykikitoon said: https://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.com/2019/02/what-you-need-to-know-about-seven.html?m=1 Bang on there, Ummuna is the biggest self serving cunt of them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26413 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 15 minutes ago, wykikitoon said: https://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.com/2019/02/what-you-need-to-know-about-seven.html?m=1 Are you being serious with that article? It wouldn’t look out of place in the Daily Mash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5933 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 10 minutes ago, ewerk said: Corbyn literally has a shadow minister who suggested relocating Israel to the USA. If you haven’t seen any evidence of antisemitism in Corbyn’s Labour then you’re blind. List me some proven examples then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26413 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 I’m on my phone so I’m not going to do the research for you. Google it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5933 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 CT levels of debate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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