The Fish 9340 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 This guy on Tiwtter https://twitter.com/DB81Heisenberg insists https://twitter.com/DB81Heisenberg/status/413286535317192706 Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13919 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Cup. Every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmondTUTU 0 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 League cup definitely no. Fa cup maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9340 Posted December 18, 2013 Author Share Posted December 18, 2013 Sadly getting the top 4 finishes not only puts you financially in a better position but in turn it lets you attract the constant calibre of players you need to consistently challenge for cups. I just want consistency, not win the fa cup and scrape avoiding relegation etc. So you'd rather not win, so you have a better chance of winning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 39296 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Cup. Every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmondTUTU 0 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 So you'd rather not win, so you have a better chance of winning? He said consistently though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4305 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 So you'd rather not win, so you have a better chance of winning? In the short term so that consistent winning in the long term is possible, I can see the reasoning. Cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9340 Posted December 18, 2013 Author Share Posted December 18, 2013 But it's a self defeating argument. You want to finish in top four, because that leads to the ultimate goal, winning the Cup. So the answer to "which would you prefer; a Cup or top 4" is eventually and ultimately a trophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acrossthepond 747 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 I don't trust Ashley with the CL money, so I can't put any stock in the argument that "finishing in the top 4 means financial prosperity and thus the funds to attract a higher calibre of players and advance the club." He'd pocket most of it and we'd be little better off. Nobody could take a Cup win away from us, however, and it'd be something to cherish for all our lives. So yeah, cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hostile_statue 0 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Cup, no question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4305 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 But it's a self defeating argument. You want to finish in top four, because that leads to the ultimate goal, winning the Cup. So the answer to "which would you prefer; a Cup or top 4" is eventually and ultimately a trophy. True but its achieving it in a different way, if we could do it in a way that sees us signing great players along the way rather than having a scrappy league season with a thin squad like our current one to get that cup win then the Top 4 route is the one to take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Cup for sure. Even if we did qualify for the CL Ashley would just pocket the cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 3683 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Cup, definitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 27147 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Cup all day long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 39296 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Our Cup runneth over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 36207 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 I can see the argument for consistent CL qualification, but as a one off achievement, a cup is a no brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9340 Posted December 18, 2013 Author Share Posted December 18, 2013 It's not really, i want us to be a "power", not a flash in the pan Aye, but to be pedantic, the question wasn't "consistent" top 4s, it was a one off. The problem, of course, is that they needn't be mutually exclusive, but should I have posed it like: In the surprising 2011/12 season the game that guarantees Newcastle's entry into the CL is on Thursday, the FA Cup final is on the Saturday. Their 1st team will deliver one, but not both; which one would you choose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 15024 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Aye, but to be pedantic, the question wasn't "consistent" top 4s, it was a one off. The problem, of course, is that they needn't be mutually exclusive, but should I have posed it like: In the surprising 2011/12 season the game that guarantees Newcastle's entry into the CL is on Thursday, the FA Cup final is on the Saturday. Their 1st team will deliver one, but not both; which one would you choose? If we were to somehow win the cup this season..... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22640095 Is winning half a dozen one off games this season more likely than finishing in the top 6? To win the Europa League after winning the FA cup this season would be pant wettingly good, so we wont... Europa needs to go back to the old UEFA cup format, no seeds & straight knockout, and to have more of the 3/4th placed teams in it to make the early rounds watchable. Thing is the clubs want the guaranteed income that 6 televised games brings them. They cant see that drawing Milan or Marseille in the first few rouds would be fuckin mint for the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9340 Posted December 18, 2013 Author Share Posted December 18, 2013 Is winning half a dozen one off games this season more likely than finishing in the top 6? Yeah, especially if it's 3 lower league clubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausman 0 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Definitely top four finish every time. I want to see us pit ourselves against the very best in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13919 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 I want to go to Wembley and win a shiny thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 28068 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 I've seen us in CL. It was good. I've never seen us win a cup. Cup all day, every day. (We'd just be the 'other English side' in the CL anyway). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3327 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Definitely top four finish every time. I want to see us pit ourselves against the very best in Europe. Or Celtic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonasjuice 0 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 If we were an ambitious club that would use the money to further push on, and we had won a trophy in say the last 5-10 years, then top 4 makes more sense. If we were say Liverpool I'd take the top 4. As it is, fa cup without a shadow of a doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 12944 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 If you wouldn't immediately fall victim to a spontaneous spunk explosion seeing Coloccini lifting the FA Cup this season, you must be mental. That all day for me like. Monkey off our back, gigantic day on the piss in London, city up here jumping for a week afterwards, banish Ronnie Bastard Redford in the bin, Sir Shola Ameobi of Fenham (soon renamed Ameobiville) and Pardew suddenly going mad in his post-match interview, calling Joe Kinnear a cowardly lion-haired cumsplash, dropping the mic and throwing cans of lager into our Wembley allocation like Stone Cold Steve Austin. Champions League qualification couldn't possibly compare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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