Dickie 0 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Difficult conditions for thauvin to come on in, but he looks like he's got a good cross on him. I also liked the look of de Jong, it's a pity he missed that sitter cos he was involved in some quality moments here and there. Mitrovic for me still seems a bit of a fairy - for the size of him he's very week under a challenge, but hopefully he'll learn. Id like to see de Jong and Perez start the next game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 (edited) Next 3 games are  Everton (h) 26th Dec  West Brom (a) 28th Dec  Arsenal (a) 2nd Jan  3 games in 7 days I can't see this going well for us. We had a good chance of dragging ourselves out of this relegation fight yesterday instead if Swansea get 3 points against West Ham this afternoon we go into Xmas in the bottom 3. I'd hope in January we go against the current transfer policy and get some older premiership experienced players in to steady the ship & pass on their knowledge to the younger players enabling us at least to try & get to a safe place in the table. The alternative is we carry on as we are relying on other teams to do worse than us in the hope we avoid relegation. Edited December 20, 2015 by trooper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19837 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 We should be capable of picking up points against Everton and west brom. Knowing our lot, we'll probably lose those then get a result at arsenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Swansea v West Ham finished 0-0 we're 17th for Xmas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haydnator 45 Posted December 20, 2015 Author Share Posted December 20, 2015 Aye and 3 points off 13th. I can see this season's relegation battle involving almost all of the bottom half like 2012/13 was if the season carries on like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Aye and 3 points off 13th. I can see this season's relegation battle involving almost all of the bottom half like 2012/13 was if the season carries on like this. I honestly admire your optimism mate but we're far to erratic to finish 13th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haydnator 45 Posted December 20, 2015 Author Share Posted December 20, 2015 (edited) I honestly admire your optimism mate but we're far to erratic to finish 13th Not saying we're going to finish 13th. Far from it. At the moment we're 17th, but somehow only 3 points off 13th and I can see almost all of the bottom half this season being involved in the relegation scrap like the Europa League excuse ridden season under Pardew where we avoided relegation at QPR. Most clubs in the bottom half that year were looking at the teams behind them iirc. The same is probably going to happen if the results we've seen (Bournemouth 3 back to back wins, Norwich winning at Old Trafford etc) keeping coming through as this season continues. We're still well in the shit. Edited December 20, 2015 by Haydnator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 We definitely are in the shit there'll have been some people after the Spurs win (2 on the trot) thinking that the club was all fixed. I really wish you could have experienced "Keegan's Entertainers" what a fantastic ride that was. As long as Ashley's here there'll never be football played like that again at SJP well not in a Black & White shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2188 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Swansea v West Ham finished 0-0 we're 17th for Xmas yaaaaaaaaay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haydnator 45 Posted December 20, 2015 Author Share Posted December 20, 2015 (edited) We definitely are in the shit there'll have been some people after the Spurs win (2 on the trot) thinking that the club was all fixed. I really wish you could have experienced "Keegan's Entertainers" what a fantastic ride that was. As long as Ashley's here there'll never be football played like that again at SJP well not in a Black & White shirt. As much as I wish I could have, I don't think football like that that will ever be played ever again in the PL by any club. It's all (apart from a couple of teams) 4-2-3-1 defensive/counter attack bollocks now. Edited December 20, 2015 by Haydnator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 As much as I wish I could have, I don't think football like that that will ever be played ever again in the PL by any club. It's all (apart from a couple of teams) 4-2-3-1 defensive/counter attack bollocks now.  Your right I hate the 1 up top system when we play it with Cissé I get sick & tired of him getting caught off side with a big stupid grin on his face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Cisse cannot play the lone striker because he won't go up for headers with the opposition central defenders and cannot hold the ball up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 De Jong was shit again.For the Villa goal Janmaat was tight on his man,then dropped off and into the top corner the ball went from the right foot of Janmaat's man.If Brolly is going to stick with Dummitt then he's got to put Colback wide left to give him some protection.Colback looks too slow to play central midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4224 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Good old Lousies analysis of our match from the "10 talking points from this weekends action" list  5) Festive fixtures should have afternoon kick-offs Like reporters, supporters do not like 5.30pm kick-offs and many Newcastle fans are particularly annoyed Saturday’s teatime game against Aston Villa is followed by another 5.30pm start against Everton on Boxing Day. Judging by anecdotal evidence it seems to be disrupting all sorts of family plans on Tyneside and is far from great for travelling Everton fans. Television revenue has made the game rich beyond all measure but it has made life tougher for those who pay to watch their team live - and explains why there is unlikely to be a winter break in England. If Geordies are unhappy it is worse for Sunderland and Arsenal supporters. They kick off on the south coast at 7.45pm on 26 December while Liverpool fans must travel to Sunderland for a 7.45pm start on 30 December. That’s not ideal. Louise Taylor  I wonder if she watches matches at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1117 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Strange when left back is a weakness, we put a kid in front of the left back who offers zero support because he's not a left winger and looks out of place there compounding the left back problem. Imagine the goals we'd have shipped in the 5th place season had non left back Ryan Taylor had Gini in front of him rather than Jonas? What a club. Sick of square pegs in round holes to suit an extremely flawed transfer system.Was talking about this to my father on Saturday after the game. In the last two summers we've bought SDJ, Cabella, Perez, Gini and possibly even Thauvin who all want to play the number 10 role. Yet we've signed one defender and made no attempt to sign a ball playing midfielder. Even if players do ok like Gini, there's always going to be a limit to how well they can do when aren't building a proper team. Even as a excerise in trying to make money, our transfer policy is deeply flawed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 26928 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Was talking about this to my father on Saturday after the game. In the last two summers we've bought SDJ, Cabella, Perez, Gini and possibly even Thauvin who all want to play the number 10 role. Yet we've signed one defender and made no attempt to sign a ball playing midfielder. Even if players do ok like Gini, there's always going to be a limit to how well they can do when aren't building a proper team. Even as a excerise in trying to make money, our transfer policy is deeply flawed.Was talking about this last night as well and more or less said the same as you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1117 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Honest question, how many toontasticers go to the game any more? I was there today and honestly the rain was biblical, I was half expecting the match to be called off. Anyway, didn't think we were anywhere as near as bad as this thread suggests. For instance, de Jong's miss, put it in the context of him being half blinded and the ball being slippery as fuck. Best I've seen us play (in person) this year and no doubts to me we can secure 17th plus.. .I still have my season ticket and really don't see that changing unless all my mates stop going (even if they up the town and stop going to the game I'd keep going). Whilst I found it completely predictable that we didn't win the game, in those conditions it was always going to be difficult for both teams. And you have to remember we aren't a particularly good team so any time we get 7 points from 9 you have to accept its a good haul. Just a shame about the Norwich and Bournemouth reults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 12767 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 It's all probably been said but why Thauvin wasn't on from the start, or at least earlier, to run at that fucking carthorse Hutton was a mystery. I think a draw was probably a fair result but we really should have put at least one of those three chances away at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4224 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 I think its become clear that our gameplan under McClaren is changing.He initially wanted us to play a 4231 and have lots of possession, build up passing. We were shit at that though.We beat Liverpool and Spurs playing a counter attacking game that suited us, Sissoko (when arsed) can power a counter attack brilliantly as can Wijnaldum who also has a nack for making the right run off the ball in that situation. Counter attacking won't work at home (and odd cases away) against smaller sides though we need something else but we're still a work in progress since he's binned his initial plan.We played well enough to get the win against Villa but I think, for similar matches in future, We should start with Mitro on instead of Cisse, De Jong needs game time after having horrific luck so far for us regarding injuries and seems to provide some sort of leadership that we lack otherwise so keep him in for now, put Wijnaldum in the middle with one of Anita or Colback and play Perez or Thauvin on the left wing (with Mitro on I think I'd prefer Thauvin, he played some excellent crosses this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 3472 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 I think its become clear that our gameplan under McClaren is changing. Â He initially wanted us to play a 4231 and have lots of possession, build up passing. We were shit at that though. Â We beat Liverpool and Spurs playing a counter attacking game that suited us, Sissoko (when arsed) can power a counter attack brilliantly as can Wijnaldum who also has a nack for making the right run off the ball in that situation. Â Counter attacking won't work at home (and odd cases away) against smaller sides though we need something else but we're still a work in progress since he's binned his initial plan. Â We played well enough to get the win against Villa but I think, for similar matches in future, We should start with Mitro on instead of Cisse, De Jong needs game time after having horrific luck so far for us regarding injuries and seems to provide some sort of leadership that we lack otherwise so keep him in for now, put Wijnaldum in the middle with one of Anita or Colback and play Perez or Thauvin on the left wing (with Mitro on I think I'd prefer Thauvin, he played some excellent crosses this weekend. Â Â Â Anyone else notice that Wijnaldum's got a serious burst of pace? Barely uses it once or twice in a match usually but he can be absolutely rapid when he wants to be. Might be a reason for McClaren putting him on the wing. But I agree about the center of the park. At home at the very least. Thauvin has looked up for it in his last couple of appearance's and does have a good cross in him. Worth giving him some game time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneColdStephenIreland 74 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 I'd go 4-3-3 with a Centre of Tiote, Sissoko and Wijni. Then have Thauvin, Perez on the wings and Mitro up top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19837 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 I'd go 4-3-3 with a Centre of Tiote, Sissoko and Wijni. Then have Thauvin, Perez on the wings and Mitro up top. That could work. McClaren is obsessed with the Anita/Colback axis of sideway passing though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneColdStephenIreland 74 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 If we take away the number 10 role and have Gini and Sissoko alternating and breaking from deep, with Perez and Thauvin more free then we'd be a lot more fluid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 12767 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 I'd drop Sissoko. Off a bridge, preferably. Just attach a wheelie bin to some kind of conveyor system and have it move up and down the right hand side. Or get James Milner back for the same effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickie 0 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 I think I'd be keen to see wijnaldum in the middle at the expense of colback or Anita vs Everton, with thauvin on the wing. It leaves our centre even softer than it already is, but it's not like that colback Anita partnership has been hard to play through anyway, so we're not losing too much. He who dares wins and all that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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