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I suppose all the other business owners that have been using the scheme are skint. He's as entitled to use it as anybody. It'd have cost him tens of millions every month to cover the furlough costs of all of his employees. It wouldn't bankrupt him but it's not a realistic expectation 

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Radical socialist policy? Or loading the taxpayers with decades of debt to keep their mates companies afloat?

 

They didn’t have any other choice but to bring in a furlough policy, but if you think it was done altruistically then you’re mad

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19 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

Radical socialist policy? Or loading the taxpayers with decades of debt to keep their mates companies afloat?

 

They didn’t have any other choice but to bring in a furlough policy, but if you think it was done altruistically then you’re mad

 

Putting words into my mouth. I'm for the policy and think it should be extended, like Germany's, not once have I said anything about the government's motives.

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10 minutes ago, Tom said:

Fucking hell man :lol: 

 

So what's the policy then? If you have 999 million use the scheme but a billion then you can't? Oh but you can't lay anyone off either you have to pay them whilst your business has no revenue. I mean I get and share the disdain for billionaires, but you're being silly.

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the job retention scheme isn't just the biggest or most radical socialist policy the tories have every put forward - it's the biggest and most radical socialist intervention from any UK government ever.

the UK economy was almost entirely nationalised for six months. it was the right thing to do, of course, but it is unquestionably radical and socialist. the tories are trying to withdraw the support too quickly but getting the timing right is difficult - we are going to be paying for this for a long, long time. 

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I refuse to give the government credit for the furlough scheme. They had no choice. And it’s suddenly not that radical when you consider just about every country in the EU did exactly the same. 
 

Cummings, Boris, Raab, Gove, Hunt, Patel et al can all burn in hell for me. They stole Brexit and fucked the nation for generations, completely bolloxed COVID resulting in massive loss of life and continue to stoke hatred on Immigration meaning the likes of Farage and Tommy R now have a voice and casual racism is alive and kicking again in all walks of life.

 

Anyone defending them is either a cunt or stupid.

 

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9 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

I refuse to give the government credit for the furlough scheme. They had no choice. And it’s suddenly not that radical when you consider just about every country in the EU did exactly the same. 
 

Cummings, Boris, Raab, Gove, Hunt, Patel et al can all burn in hell for me. They stole Brexit and fucked the nation for generations, completely bolloxed COVID resulting in massive loss of life and continue to stoke hatred on Immigration meaning the likes of Farage and Tommy R now have a voice and casual racism is alive and kicking again in all walks of life.

 

Anyone defending them is either a cunt or stupid.

 

(IDEMT)

More costly to the taxpayer because they dithered over lockdown too. It’s not like it’s their money 

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It's my fucking money, I received fuck all from them and the cunts are going to screw me for the next decade to pay for Ashley's fluffer.  

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J69 arguing with himself. Nobody has credited the government as far as I can see. Not in this thread anyway. Most reasonable people can pass judgement on a single policy without being in favour of those who passed it. Ironically those who don't seem to be able to can usually be found complaining about how polarised politics have become because of social media.

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21 minutes ago, TheGingerQuiff said:

J69 arguing with himself. Nobody has credited the government as far as I can see. Not in this thread anyway. Most reasonable people can pass judgement on a single policy without being in favour of those who passed it. Ironically those who don't seem to be able to can usually be found complaining about how polarised politics have become because of social media.


It was a general rant rather than being aimed at you princess.
 

Had lockdown and furlough been put in place when needed then I’d have given the government credit. Instead it was a reactive response when the horse had long since bolted and the whole country was going up in flames.

 

Lockdown was announced in advance ffs, the pubs were rammed on the Friday night, we had champions league matches packed out, Cheltenham, the list goes on.... 20k deaths was the early prediction remember.


As usual, the working class and public sector workers will be paying for this anyway.

 

They get fuck all credit from me!

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2 hours ago, Kid Dynamite said:

I refuse to give the government credit for the furlough scheme. They had no choice. And it’s suddenly not that radical when you consider just about every country in the EU did exactly the same. 
 

Cummings, Boris, Raab, Gove, Hunt, Patel et al can all burn in hell for me. They stole Brexit and fucked the nation for generations, completely bolloxed COVID resulting in massive loss of life and continue to stoke hatred on Immigration meaning the likes of Farage and Tommy R now have a voice and casual racism is alive and kicking again in all walks of life.

 

Anyone defending them is either a cunt or stupid.

 

(IDEMT)

I don’t see anyone defending them on here. Even CT has been quiet. 
 

Yeah, they had no choice. Socialism is fashionable all of a sudden. Shame it took a pandemic. 

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20 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

I don’t see anyone defending them on here. Even CT has been quiet. 
 

Yeah, they had no choice. Socialism is fashionable all of a sudden. Shame it took a pandemic. 

Don’t fucking tempt fate, man 

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On 04/09/2020 at 17:35, Dr Gloom said:

I don’t see anyone defending them on here. Even CT has been quiet. 
 

Yeah, they had no choice. Socialism is fashionable all of a sudden. Shame it took a pandemic. 

 

Socialism carried out by a bunch of people who don't believe in it, are woefully incompetent anyway, and who have literally no plan or intention of moving towards a sustainable outcome.

 

It's basically as if some twat coked up and let loose with the family credit cards, overpaying for things, and buying things he doesn't need - and when the rush passes, he'll be left penniless and in debt with no better option than to make his family even worse off than they were before in order to pay everything back.

 

It's not socialism, it's just incompetence.

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1 hour ago, Rayvin said:

 

Socialism carried out by a bunch of people who don't believe in it, are woefully incompetent anyway, and who have literally no plan or intention of moving towards a sustainable outcome.

 

It's basically as if some twat coked up and let loose with the family credit cards, overpaying for things, and buying things he doesn't need - and when the rush passes, he'll be left penniless and in debt with no better option than to make his family even worse off than they were before in order to pay everything back.

 

It's not socialism, it's just incompetence.

they are, in the short-term, socialist policies though - aren't they? they've just been delivered by an incompetent government and ministers who are quietly seething at what they have been forced to do. 

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14 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

they are, in the short-term, socialist policies though - aren't they? they've just been delivered by an incompetent government and ministers who are quietly seething at what they have been forced to do. 

 

I'm not really sure any of this counts tbh, depends how far back in time you want to go as to the cause of why we're here. I could say that we've furloughed people so that capitalist enterprises don't go under because we've told people to stay home to protect the socialist NHS which is in need of protection because it has been stripped bare over many years as a consequence of capitalist/neoliberal austerity.

 

I just don't think we can call this socialism if there's not an overall strategy aimed at bringing in socialism behind it. It's just 'desperately spending money to prop up as much of the economy as possible' in my eyes.

 

The risk if we start calling it socialism is that we're going to have to spend the next 20 years trying to tell people that actually, if socialist components to society had been implemented properly we wouldn't have lengthy periods of austerity following it. And we'll fail at explaining that. All the public are going to see from this is "The Tories are doing socialism" and then 5 years later "holy fuck, socialism sucks - it's ruined the country". It feeds into that whole complete oversimplification of the matters at hand that landed us austerity in the first place.

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1 hour ago, Rayvin said:

 

I'm not really sure any of this counts tbh, depends how far back in time you want to go as to the cause of why we're here. I could say that we've furloughed people so that capitalist enterprises don't go under because we've told people to stay home to protect the socialist NHS which is in need of protection because it has been stripped bare over many years as a consequence of capitalist/neoliberal austerity.

 

I just don't think we can call this socialism if there's not an overall strategy aimed at bringing in socialism behind it. It's just 'desperately spending money to prop up as much of the economy as possible' in my eyes.

 

The risk if we start calling it socialism is that we're going to have to spend the next 20 years trying to tell people that actually, if socialist components to society had been implemented properly we wouldn't have lengthy periods of austerity following it. And we'll fail at explaining that. All the public are going to see from this is "The Tories are doing socialism" and then 5 years later "holy fuck, socialism sucks - it's ruined the country". It feeds into that whole complete oversimplification of the matters at hand that landed us austerity in the first place.

yeah, i wouldn't call these cunts socialists either. it was delivered through gritted teeth, but i would still say that the intervention to save jobs on a national scale was a socialist policy.  however, i don't doubt for a minuter that we will be among the first countries in europe to withdraw the support. 

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5 hours ago, wykikitoon said:

Fuck off to the Politics thread you boring sods

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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aha, nihilist eh?

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