Transfers, 2023-24 season

[Kid Dynamite 6097]

Paqueta isn't happening.

Willock, Bruno and Joelinton probably our starting 3 CMs, backed up by a revitalised Shelvey, Sean Longstaff with a new contract, Elliot Anderson breaking through and Matty Longstaff probably get loaned out again.
 

We have £30mil ish to spend and need a striker and a winger. We aren't going to blow the budget on an 8th CM. Nor are we going to drop £30/40mins on Paqueta and play him out of position on the wing or up front like it's championship manager 

 

[strawb 3733]

He may be frustrating but was our second top scorer and top assist maker last season (I think, happy to be proved wrong).

I would like to keep him, get someone on the other side who can do similar and see how he gets on when he isn’t being doubled up on every game.

 

Replacing him with those 3 I probably wouldn’t be sad to see him go, but that’s all pie in the sky at the moment isn’t it? Especially as the whole conversation started with Polarboy waving a magic wand.

 

If we are limited by FFP how is selling one player to buy three going to help?

[Kid Dynamite 6097]

1 hour ago, Polarboy said:

Assuming we did sell ASM, loan Broja and buy Paqueta and Diaby; Fraser, Joelinton, Diaby, and Almiron can play on the left. And Fraser, Diaby, Almiron, Broja and Paqueta can play on the right. We'd have plenty of options

 You're in fantasy land 

[Dr Gloom 20177]

3 minutes ago, strawb said:

He may be frustrating but was our second top scorer and top assist maker last season (I think, happy to be proved wrong).

I would like to keep him, get someone on the other side who can do similar and see how he gets on when he isn’t being doubled up on every game.

 

Replacing him with those 3 I probably wouldn’t be sad to see him go, but that’s all pie in the sky at the moment isn’t it? Especially as the whole conversation started with Polarboy waving a magic wand.

 

If we are limited by FFP how is selling one player to buy three going to help?

it is all football manager chat - I’m just happy to be having these conversations again. It’s good craic. 

 

I’d keep ASM too fwiw. Give him a final season to see if he can sort his shit out. But I wouldn’t be gutted if we sold him for say £50m if it gave us more firepower under the PL’s profit and sustainability rules to get our main targets in (your guess is as good as mine as to whether we’re genuinely in with a chance of getting the players we’ve been linked with) 

[Polarboy 2124]

29 minutes ago, strawb said:

We currently have 1 good premier league level winger.

 

Your preference is to sell him, replace him with another winger and then play other people out of position on the other side? 
 

Seems sensible, but I would rather buy a winger to play the other side so we have 2 decent wingers.

 

As people have said it's not a case of wanting to sell ASM, but if selling was the only way to get the other two I'd still think we'd be much stronger overall. And you may not think Fraser is premier league quality but I think he showed a fair bit of quality on the left for us when ASM was injured, and that's where the vast majority of his attacking returns have come for us. Indeed in his double figure in goals and assists season for Bournemouth he was played on the left. With a preseason under his belt from Howe he could offer much more than he's shown when being moved about position. Fraser on the left and Diaby on the right, and with all the other combinations I've mentioned wouldn't leave us stuck for people out wide. We would still need to reinforce the left at some point, but again we'd have significantly improved the midfield and attack with those players despite having to sacrifice ASM. 

[Dr Gloom 20177]

9 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

Paqueta isn't happening.

 

 

alright Sean

[Polarboy 2124]

12 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

 You're in fantasy land 

 

You're going to need to be more specific in your top quality critique of my comment. And I literally said if I had a magic wand that is what I would do. I didn't say it was likely. 

Edited July 24, 2022 by Polarboy

[Dr Gloom 20177]

12 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

Paqueta isn't happening.

 

 

says who? You got a source at the club or something? 

[Polarboy 2124]

12 minutes ago, strawb said:

He may be frustrating but was our second top scorer and top assist maker last season (I think, happy to be proved wrong).

I would like to keep him, get someone on the other side who can do similar and see how he gets on when he isn’t being doubled up on every game.

 

Replacing him with those 3 I probably wouldn’t be sad to see him go, but that’s all pie in the sky at the moment isn’t it? Especially as the whole conversation started with Polarboy waving a magic wand.

 

If we are limited by FFP how is selling one player to buy three going to help?

 

Because we supposedly have 50m left, ASM has been quoted at around 40m, and getting Broja on loan and buying the other two would cost roughly 90m. 

[Alex 30825]

26 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

Paqueta isn't happening.

Willock, Bruno and Joelinton probably our starting 3 CMs, backed up by a revitalised Shelvey, Sean Longstaff with a new contract, Elliot Anderson breaking through and Matty Longstaff probably get loaned out again.
 

We have £30mil ish to spend and need a striker and a winger. We aren't going to blow the budget on an 8th CM. Nor are we going to drop £30/40mins on Paqueta and play him out of position on the wing or up front like it's championship manager 

 

Not saying it’s a likely scenario but if you did sell ASM for £50m (just plucked that number out my arse btw) then you get the benefit of all that cash this year (in terms of FFP) but anyone coming in has their fee / wages spread across the duration of their contract. So it could be seen as a way to increase our ability to spend this year. Pure speculation re:plans to sell him but I would think we’ve got a lot more than £30m to spend. I’m going off the Football Rambler, who I assume is a bit more clued up than Luke Edwards on that score. In his blog he quoted some ridiculous figure we could spend and still not fall foul of FFP, because of the frugal years under Ashley. Obviously that would impact subsequent seasons but it suggests a fair bit of wriggle room if the right player is available and wanting to come 

Edited July 24, 2022 by Alex

[Polarboy 2124]

16 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

Paqueta isn't happening.

Willock, Bruno and Joelinton probably our starting 3 CMs, backed up by a revitalised Shelvey, Sean Longstaff with a new contract, Elliot Anderson breaking through and Matty Longstaff probably get loaned out again.
 

We have £30mil ish to spend and need a striker and a winger. We aren't going to blow the budget on an 8th CM. Nor are we going to drop £30/40mins on Paqueta and play him out of position on the wing or up front like it's championship manager 

 

 

Shelvey's contract is going to reup after his next three starts so he can be sold. By all accounts Paqueta is leagues ahead of him in talent and is also six years his junior. Apart from Willock we don't have a specialist attacking mid, although Bruno can play that position because he's just that good. And I didn't say we should play Paqueta out of position, if we were to ever buy him, I was merely pointing out that he can also play on the right wing, and as a second striker for that matter. 

[wykikitoon 17121]

ASM IMO Didn't improve one bit under Howe I would go as far as saying he regressed. What the reasons for that I don't know.  Some suggested last season he was tired and warn out.  IMO it's because his big teddy bear Brewcie fucked off and someone came in and said you do things by his rules or fuck off.

[strawb 3733]

8 minutes ago, Polarboy said:

 

Because we supposedly have 50m left, ASM has been quoted at around 40m, and getting Broja on loan and buying the other two would cost roughly 90m. 

Says who? 

[wykikitoon 17121]

Let's be honest. Nobody outside the club know how much we have left.

[strawb 3733]

Just now, wykikitoon said:

Let's be honest. Nobody outside the club know how much we have left.

Bingo

[Polarboy 2124]

1 minute ago, strawb said:

Says who? 

 

Says who what? That we have 50m left, that ASM is supposedly worth 40m, or that the other two would cost roughly 90m.

[strawb 3733]

Just now, Polarboy said:

 

Says who what? That we have 50m left, that ASM is supposedly worth 40m, or that the other two would cost roughly 90m.

All of it

[Alex 30825]

2 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

Let's be honest. Nobody outside the club know how much we have left.

Absolutely. All I meant was some of the more miserable journalists saying we’ve only got X amount because of FFP don’t seem to have even a basic grasp of it. 

[Dr Gloom 20177]

We all know how much money we have left to spend. The chicken nonce told us 

[wykikitoon 17121]

6 minutes ago, Alex said:

Absolutely. All I meant was some of the more miserable journalists saying we’ve only got X amount because of FFP don’t seem to have even a basic grasp of it. 

I do think around £50m is what they want us to spend.  That would take the spending since they took us over around £200m.  Which is a huge amount compared to what we are used to.  

[Polarboy 2124]

Just now, strawb said:

All of it

 

Players estimated prices are available to see on sites like transfermarkt which uses algorithms to calculate player prices . They aren't always accurate but more often than not are pretty close. And the prices for Paqueta and Diaby have been mentioned numerous times in the papers and online. The Diaby one is presumably more reliable than the Paqueta one, where it was said his asking price had been lowered from 60 odd million to 34m, given that we've been linked to Diaby for so long surely at least one decent journalist has gotten a quote from Leverkusen on his price. I could only work with the numbers that I've seen and use them even if they are only a rough guide. It should also be pointed out that clubs sometimes use the media to do their negotiations by leaking figures every now and again. So not everything is made up bullshit. In any case the main point I was making was that I'd be more than fine with sacrificing ASM if it meant we had the capital needed to get the other three. And I would also agree that nobody outside the club really knows either how much we have to spend or just how much we are willing to spend, but again I was just using the oft mentioned 50m as a rough guide. 

[Kid Dynamite 6097]

27 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

says who? You got a source at the club or something? 

No. But I read the tweets by every NE football journo, who are all consistent with the claims that we are looking at 2 positions (CF, RW) and have roughly £30mil left to spend.

 

The same journo's that report we've been priced out of Diaby and he doesn't want to come anyway. So fantasy lists of Diaby AND Paqueta are pie in the sky atm

[Kid Dynamite 6097]

24 minutes ago, Polarboy said:

 

Shelvey's contract is going to reup after his next three starts so he can be sold. By all accounts Paqueta is leagues ahead of him in talent and is also six years his junior. Apart from Willock we don't have a specialist attacking mid, although Bruno can play that position because he's just that good. And I didn't say we should play Paqueta out of position, if we were to ever buy him, I was merely pointing out that he can also play on the right wing, and as a second striker for that matter. 

This isn't a computer game though. Just saying Shelvey can be sold doesn't mean anyone wants him or is willing to pay the wages he is on here ...

[Polarboy 2124]

Howe has also been quoted as saying that we made need to be flexible depending on who's actually available in the market. 

 

Howe - "I think you have to be adaptable. If we can't find the right player I might have to look at other positions. Certainly, we are looking at one or two players that could make the difference."

[Dr Gloom 20177]

3 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

No. But I read the tweets by every NE football journo, who are all consistent with the claims that we are looking at 2 positions (CF, RW) and have roughly £30mil left to spend.

 

The same journo's that report we've been priced out of Diaby and he doesn't want to come anyway. So fantasy lists of Diaby AND Paqueta are pie in the sky atm

Aye, so do I.

 

Ben Jacobs reckons we could go in for Paqueta. And Howe said something himself last week about strengthening other areas of the squad if the right player becomes available and we don’t get the players we want in those two positions. 
 

Tbh, I reckon I have about as much of a clue as you, or anyone else, as to who we will end up. Not much of one, in other words. No one saw Bruno coming last window. It came out of nowhere. Until then, just enjoy the fantasy football chat.