ewerk 39291 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 17 minutes ago, Craig said: Some noises that we'll put off players wanting to come here if we make an example of Isak and to an extent, we probably will. But do we really want to entertain a repeat of the nonsense that's gone on the last 3-4 weeks consuming a transfer window? It's less about the individual and more about the downstream impact on the club that takes precedence for me. Do we want to be seen as a club happy to challenge for the CL spots or a club intent on winning silverware? Because selling Isak would be a message to the current squad and potential recruits that we're happy to be the former. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 39291 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 17 minutes ago, Craig said: Agree with the sentiment though. It's something I think Ferguson got right at Man Utd. If you acted like a cunt he steered clear of you. If you became a cunt, you were history. Beckham, Keane & Staam are all testament to that. The difference is that Ferguson had replacements lined up. Keane was already finished but Beckham was replaced by Ronaldo and Stam by Laurent Blanc. We've been unable to get any replacement at a similar level to Isak. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougle 4598 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 20 minutes ago, Craig said: Agree with the sentiment though. It's something I think Ferguson got right at Man Utd. If you acted like a cunt he steered clear of you. If you became a cunt, you were history. Beckham, Keane & Staam are all testament to that. Aye and all three of those moved abroad - we if you can count Sockland as abroad in the case of Keane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 39291 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 1 hour ago, Toonpack said: Starting to notice the odd scouse fan starting to say "not so sure we want a player who acts like this" https://x.com/Betfair/status/1955163116464980213 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 12389 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 Yeah agreed. Was talking about it with a few mates in the pub last night - we all support different teams and the consensus is he's being a complete cunt. There's even a Liverpool fan in there of that opinion too. As one bloke said - Isak's stock was elevated massively last season and it's the first summer he's been considered hot property. He's profile is as big as it is in part because of the players around him and he's suddenly decided "fuck you all, I'm better than you!". It's absolutely disgusting conduct. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27805 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 1 minute ago, ewerk said: The difference is that Ferguson had replacements lined up. Keane was already finished but Beckham was replaced by Ronaldo and Stam by Laurent Blanc. We've been unable to get any replacement at a similar level to Isak. True but it was still a core principle which Ferguson always stuck to. Of course it's easier when you have the financial might and training academy Man United did, that's what we need to develop, but within the framework of those same principles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 12389 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 Yeah it has to be an aspirational goal for us - to get to a position where we have either replacements waiting to join, or already within our stable that we can fuck players off when they start this shit. I think Ince was the same, wasn't he? Started agitating he was the big I am and demanding his move to Italy. Never hit the same heights again I seem to recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffman 189 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 2 hours ago, Toonpack said: The last push, let the cunt rot. I guess he wasn’t a fan of Luke Edward’s piece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBass 4205 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 4 minutes ago, ewerk said: https://x.com/Betfair/status/1955163116464980213 Where did they drag up those utter melts from? ...also I can't put into words how fucking annoyed I get when I hear those entitled cunts say "know your place". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 39291 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 Isak's agent is as big a cunt as you would imagine. https://x.com/thenufcproject/status/1952472994951102720 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 39291 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 This is Gemmill's bf's take on it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27805 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 5 minutes ago, MrBass said: Where did they drag up those utter melts from? ...also I can't put into words how fucking annoyed I get when I hear those entitled cunts say "know your place". Nearly always uttered from a plastic fan wanker too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 6705 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 It’s time for the club and Howe to just very publicly confirm he’s going nowhere. We ain’t got time to find a Poundland Isak and the sooner it’s properly public, everyone can move on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 43972 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 15 minutes ago, ewerk said: https://x.com/Betfair/status/1955163116464980213 A betting company being utterly moronic did you say? Imagine my surprise? Let's grab some duck eggs from the street for some content, and please, don't forget to gamble your money with us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27805 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 4 minutes ago, Howmanheyman said: A betting company being utterly moronic did you say? Imagine my surprise? Let's grab some duck eggs from the street for some content, and please, don't forget to gamble your money with us. Not a scouse accent amongst them. Maybe the last one, but am not sure, as the camera wasn't covered in hockle? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 12389 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: It’s time for the club and Howe to just very publicly confirm he’s going nowhere. We ain’t got time to find a Poundland Isak and the sooner it’s properly public, everyone can move on. Howe's never going to do that though because, as he's repeated and rightly pointed out, he's not in total control of that situation. If he, or the club makes that statement and he goes, we're going to look fucking stupid. Echoes of when Pardew claimed, just one month into his tenure, that Andy Carroll was absolutely going nowhere. The approach they're taking is precisely right - say very little publicly, and what they do say, is factual. Howe has been quite shrewd. It's no accident IMO that he's slipped vital bits of information into what he's said in pressers - "I know of his whereabouts, only through the media", "He's not carrying any injury". Basically pointing out that Isak is behaving like a cunt and the 'what if' narrative being pedaled by the media isn't accurate. Edited August 12 by Craig 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 6705 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 Just now, Craig said: Howe's never going to do that though because, as he's repeated and rightly pointed out, he's not in total control of that situation. If he, or the club makes that statement and he goes, we're going to look fucking stupid. Echoes of when Pardew claimed, just one month into his tenure, that Andy Carroll was absolutely going nowhere. The approach they're taking is precisely right - say very little publicly, and what they do say, is factual. Howe has been quite shrewd. It's no accident IMO that he's slipped vital bits of information into what he's said in pressers - "I know of his whereabouts, only through the media", "He's not carrying any injury". Basically pointing out that Isak is behaving like a cunt and the narrative being pedaled by the media isn't accurate. I think you misunderstand. We are not getting a suitable replacement this window. That being the case, the owners should decide and publicly confirm he’s not moving. Howe is then quite ok to confirm the boards public statement. The sooner this happens, the sooner we move on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 43972 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 5 minutes ago, Renton said: Not a scouse accent amongst them. Maybe the last one, but am not sure, as the camera wasn't covered in hockle? No surprise but they'll have done that deliberately as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 12389 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 1 minute ago, Christmas Tree said: I think you misunderstand. We are not getting a suitable replacement this window. That being the case, the owners should decide and publicly confirm he’s not moving. Howe is then quite ok to confirm the boards public statement. The sooner this happens, the sooner we move on. I don't misunderstand at all. I think if Liverpool meet our valuation and that we're able to get Wissa plus someone at Isak's level, I think they'll seriously consider selling him. The constraint for me is not having a suitable replacement and our valuation not being met. Hence why the club won't put out a statement as you suggest - they're keeping their powder dry. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 15614 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 2 minutes ago, Craig said: I don't misunderstand at all. I think if Liverpool meet our valuation and that we're able to get Wissa plus someone at Isak's level, I think they'll seriously consider selling him. The constraint for me is not having a suitable replacement and our valuation not being met. Hence why the club won't put out a statement as you suggest - they're keeping their powder dry. That and the fact they stance is not for sale, confirmed by the fact they "robustly" rejected the scouse offer, why would they say anything else. Anything said would be twisted and just add fuel to the fire. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougle 4598 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 3 minutes ago, Craig said: I don't misunderstand at all. I think if Liverpool meet our valuation and that we're able to get Wissa plus someone at Isak's level, I think they'll seriously consider selling him. The constraint for me is not having a suitable replacement and our valuation not being met. Hence why the club won't put out a statement as you suggest - they're keeping their powder dry. And how at this point can we possibly do that? Mind you as someone has already pointed out Wissa himself matched Isak for non pen goals last season, so may two Wissas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27805 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 6 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: I think you misunderstand. We are not getting a suitable replacement this window. That being the case, the owners should decide and publicly confirm he’s not moving. Howe is then quite ok to confirm the boards public statement. The sooner this happens, the sooner we move on. I think you misunderstand. I suggest you read Craig's response again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27805 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 4 minutes ago, Craig said: I don't misunderstand at all. I think if Liverpool meet our valuation and that we're able to get Wissa plus someone at Isak's level, I think they'll seriously consider selling him. The constraint for me is not having a suitable replacement and our valuation not being met. Hence why the club won't put out a statement as you suggest - they're keeping their powder dry. Exactly. A shrewd logical rational response to the situation which is ongoing. Don't needlessly shut doors, don't burn bridges, keep all options open. Above all don't be overaken by emotion. As usual I'm nassively impressed by Howes conduct on this. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 4698 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 I don't think Howe saying "he's not for sale" does anything to change things. Like TP said, it likely just inflames things. The media narrative has already turned imo so it isn't even necessary. I think almost nobody, with the exception of irrelevant social media examples of deluded Liverpool supporters, expects us to sell Isak unless a replacement comes in first and Liverpool makes a drastically improved offer. I think the club has managed this saga really really well honestly. Having Howe at the front of things obviously helps. We look like the mature ones, with Isak and Liverpool both carrying on like muppets. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 9911 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 I’d like it to get to the point whether it’s Saudi for an extortionate fee or not play for a year. I don’t want him anymore and I don’t think Howe does either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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