Alex 42155 Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rayvin said: Based on Collymore's intepretation of the finances involved in transfers (I'm still struggling to believe this is true) then that might not even represent a huge loss. His book value drops by another £10m, Sociedad's sell on drops by about £5m and we owe him about £15m less on the contract that we would have had to pay up anyway if we sold him now. So next summer, if we sold him for £120m, it would be about as valuable to us as £150m now - but with the bonus of him playing for another season. If he goes for £100m then that season costs us £20m. I am very very open to being challenged on fantasy maths here (I still cannot believe I am interpreting this correctly but it at least seems to be valid based on Collymore). It seems unlikely to me that you pay the full remain value of someone’s contract when, by leaving, they aren’t fulfilling their contract. We’d have heard about this before more generally too as it would have such huge financial implications, especially in the era of PSR, but even before then. Edited August 22 by Alex 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 8366 Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 1 hour ago, Alex said: It seems unlikely to me that you pay the full remain value of someone’s contract when, by leaving, they aren’t fulfilling their contract. We’d have heard about this before more generally too as it would have such huge financial implications, especially in the era of PSR, but even before then. I agree with you completely but Collymore's statement on it as thrown me a bit. But yes, incredibly unlikely that we wouldn't know. Maybe he meant the loyalty payment. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 8366 Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Having watched that interview, I feel really sorry for Howe that he's being put through this clusterfuck and has to come out and be the face of the club in it. Professional as ever but he looked somewhere between disappointed and pissed off to me. If we did know that he wanted away so early on in the window, as Howe seems to have indicated, then presumably our position throughout has been around trying to keep it internal while we sort everything out before taking action. What Isak has done since then is fucked up the entire thing by exposing the situation to everyone externally, meaning we're now facing heightened transfer fees left and right, and possibly preventing us from signing players who might otherwise have come. He actually deserves to fail for this IMO. He deserves to be 'stuck here for another season against his will' because his fucking stupidity has derailed the entire process for replacing him and made a clown show out of it. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 63239 Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Aye, we were clearly trying to get Ekitike to replace him. And then everything got blown up. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 22505 Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Big LFC accounts punting out the message that Slot spoke to Etikike in January. Makes the narrative that they wanted two after Jota died fuckin bollocks if as it sounds like Howe and Isak were having conversations about his future in April/May...he'd already been tapped up and they also wanted Etikike. Makes the move for him fuckin stupid iyam. Howe & his nephew/Nickson undoubtedly knew Liverpool wanted him this summer but went for him anyway 🤪 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 15599 Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 2 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: Big LFC accounts punting out the message that Slot spoke to Etikike in January. Makes the narrative that they wanted two after Jota died fuckin bollocks if as it sounds like Howe and Isak were having conversations about his future in April/May...he'd already been tapped up and they also wanted Etikike. Makes the move for him fuckin stupid iyam. Howe & his nephew/Nickson undoubtedly knew Liverpool wanted him this summer but went for him anyway 🤪 anti-Semitism ✅ 🚩 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 63239 Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 8 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: Big LFC accounts punting out the message that Slot spoke to Etikike in January. Makes the narrative that they wanted two after Jota died fuckin bollocks if as it sounds like Howe and Isak were having conversations about his future in April/May...he'd already been tapped up and they also wanted Etikike. Makes the move for him fuckin stupid iyam. Howe & his nephew/Nickson undoubtedly knew Liverpool wanted him this summer but went for him anyway 🤪 "undoubtedly knew Liverpool wanted him"? How's that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 63239 Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Putting a lot of faith in "big LFC accounts" here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 22505 Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 2 minutes ago, Gemmill said: "undoubtedly knew Liverpool wanted him"? How's that? There's no secrets in football at that level... people know. Tbf NUFC may well have also received encouragement from Etike's people . Just my thoughts on it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 16204 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/2099213/newcastle-transfer-news-alexander-isak-liverpool in other news Troy Deeney went on to have a normal training session. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 42155 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 When you look at all the run-ins Deeney had in his less than stellar career you could be forgiven for thinking he was the problem 9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 22505 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 Someone needs to tell Deeney that Isak is training on his own 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamTaylor5 1783 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 28 minutes ago, Dazzler said: https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/2099213/newcastle-transfer-news-alexander-isak-liverpool in other news Troy Deeney went on to have a normal training session. How idiotic and removed from reality does someone have to be to think this, do this, reflect on this then write it in a national newspaper 15 years later? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 43941 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 You've got to love the process that allows some of these puddings to become media pundits. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 39243 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 2 hours ago, Howmanheyman said: You've got to love the process that allows some of these puddings to become media pundits. The man lasted 29 days in his first and only managerial role. That should tell you all you need to know about his knowledge of football. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 43941 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 He always reminds me of those cabbage patch kid dolls. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 22505 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 63239 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 1 minute ago, PaddockLad said: he's gonna have to wind it back in when Eddie works his reintegration magic. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 22505 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 UP THE FUCKIN CLARETS!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 7482 Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 8 hours ago, PaddockLad said: UP THE FUCKIN CLARETS!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 63239 Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-15032609/Newcastle-delegation-alexander-isak-talks-Liverpool-target.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 28557 Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 Yassir loves him which we all did. Let's hope he can sort it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 43941 Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 3 minutes ago, Gemmill said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-15032609/Newcastle-delegation-alexander-isak-talks-Liverpool-target.html It's like Steven Taylor is one of the directors. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 28557 Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 Or were they helping him move house? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 63239 Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 4 minutes ago, Howmanheyman said: It's like Steven Taylor is one of the directors. Looks like deal done. Back in training tomorrow. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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