Alexander Isak

[Woltemagic 109]

11 hours ago, Monkeys Fist said:

I’m going to start referring to them as Louvrepool, since they’re so fucking easy to rob. 

I see what you did there.

 

Genuinely think your onto something here.

 

Theres a question mark over the fact that Israt can’t climb the “ladder” at Liverpool.

[Monkeys Fist 50743]

39 minutes ago, Woltemagic said:

I see what you did there.

 

Genuinely think your onto something here.

 

Theres a question mark over the fact that Israt can’t climb the “ladder” at Liverpool.

Aye, that, and the fact is was daylight robbery 

[PaddockLad 22498]

Has his transfer saga ruined the seasons’ of both the selling and buying clubs involved?

 

As we speak it undoubtedly has iyam

 

 

[ewerk 39233]

Nah, we’d still have played shite with him and Liverpool would be equally as bad without him.

[Gemmill 63200]

I don't think Isak has anything to do with Liverpool's problems. He's not even playing. They're all over the place across the entire pitch. It's like Ten Hag when Man United were getting by on occasional moments of individual brilliance but now even the usual sources of individual brilliance aren't doing it often enough. It's magnificent. 

[Gemmill 63200]

I do think we'd probably be a good few points better off with Isak here, mind. He'll get you goals when you're playing shit, and we don't have that player at the minute. 

[PaddockLad 22498]

After 11 games we’ve got 11 goals; last season we had 14 of which Isak had scored  4. Wolt also has 4 league goals this season.

 

This is the difference between feelings and facts folks. I think I’m going revisit this after we’ve played the mackems….

 

 

Edited November 10 by PaddockLad

[PaddockLad 22498]

9 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

I don't think Isak has anything to do with Liverpool's problems. He's not even playing. They're all over the place across the entire pitch. It's like Ten Hag when Man United were getting by on occasional moments of individual brilliance but now even the usual sources of individual brilliance aren't doing it often enough. It's magnificent. 

I think there’s a chance he’s still casting a shadow over our changing room….

[Gemmill 63200]

4 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

I think there’s a chance he’s still casting a shadow over our changing room….

 

I've posted above saying we'd be better off if he'd stayed. I don't think he's the main issue with Liverpool though. They're off all over the pitch. Defenders don't know what they're doing, midfield isn't working, and Salah couldn't give a fuck when the ball isn't at his feet. 

[Gemmill 63200]

Slot is Liverpool's main problem. 

[ewerk 39233]

If we had a donkey playing up front missing sitters then we could blame Isak but our issue is with creating decent chances rather than taking them. We may be a few points better off if we’d have had Isak in August when we were playing well but not getting the results but he wouldn’t make much difference to our current predicament.

[Craig 12383]

1 hour ago, Gemmill said:

I don't think Isak has anything to do with Liverpool's problems. He's not even playing. They're all over the place across the entire pitch. It's like Ten Hag when Man United were getting by on occasional moments of individual brilliance but now even the usual sources of individual brilliance aren't doing it often enough. It's magnificent. 

The only impact he's had is that the prolonged saga meant their focus was away from where it should have been - securing defenders.

Injuries to Wissa, Hall & Livramento in particular haven't helped us, but it's not the only factor - neither is Isak.

[wykikitoon 28542]

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[Gemmill 63200]

2 hours ago, ewerk said:

If we had a donkey playing up front missing sitters then we could blame Isak but our issue is with creating decent chances rather than taking them. We may be a few points better off if we’d have had Isak in August when we were playing well but not getting the results but he wouldn’t make much difference to our current predicament.

 

We'd have a focal point for the attack though. And someone who can run in behind. We're missing that at the minute and part of the reason we aren't creating chances is cos he's not there anymore. 

[ewerk 39233]

Woltemade dropping deep should create a lot more space for the two wingers to run into but we're not seeing that at all. Plenty of times over the last couple of seasons when the team isn't playing well we saw Isak look completely anonymous. I don't think he'd have made a massive difference had he been with us.

[Gemmill 63200]

Aye we did. But on average he offered goals a lot of the time. If he'd started this season completely anonymous, then I agree we'd have been no better off. But if he'd offered up his average performances, we would be.

 

I take no pleasure in saying this btw, cos I fucking detest the prick. 

[Dazzler 16199]

Woltemade is averaging 1 in 2 and is doing so dropping deep to support the play (something Isak never did). I don't think Isak does anything other than score the one pen Woltemade blasted in over those same games. 

 

The problem isn't him - it's the wingers being ineffectual. Isak would have been even worse if Elanga, Gordon, Barnes, and Murphy weren't on it IMO.

 

The only argument I could make is that we may have started better in the games before he signed with Isak up front. But then again, he'd probably have gotten injured.

[Rayvin 8362]

11 hours ago, PaddockLad said:

I think there’s a chance he’s still casting a shadow over our changing room….

 

Undoubtedly IMO. The whole narrative for the club changed, the 'in it together' siege mentality, sticking it to the establishment story.. punctured by Isak ultimately betraying that sentiment and his teammates.

 

People talk as if this sort of shit shouldn't affect professional players, but to me it would be ludicrous if it didn't. The narrative or if you prefer, 'perspective' on where the team is and what it's doing is hugely impacted by developments like this. Last year we felt like we could beat anyone on our day. This year the players aren't playing like they believe that anymore.

[aimaad22 6001]

Are we the first team to lose a big player? The saga having an effect is understandable, you could allow for it in the first few games. But if our squad is wallowing in self pity 4 months into the season about a teammate who wanted to leave and threw them under the bus in the process of doing so then they are massive fannies and we have bigger problems than we thought.

 

We were playing much better in August/September btw compared to now so I just can't put much stock into this theory. 

[Rayvin 8362]

2 minutes ago, aimaad22 said:

Are we the first team to lose a big player? The saga having an effect is understandable, you could allow for it in the first few games. But if our squad is wallowing in self pity 4 months into the season about a teammate who wanted to leave and threw them under the bus in the process of doing so then they are massive fannies and we have bigger problems than we thought.

 

We were playing much better in August/September btw compared to now so I just can't put much stock into this theory. 

 

August it still hadn't happened, mind. Howe himself says we're low on confidence, I'm just saying that confidence is a big deal really. If you lose it, it's difficult to fake. The players might have to earn it back again.

[aimaad22 6001]

It hadn't happened but he wasn't playing and there was a ton of speculation and unrest. We were all wishing for it to be done either way so I'm guessing thats when the players were the most unsettled too. 

 

I agree confidence is our biggest issue, no arguing with that. I just don't think Isak is a big part of the reason. Or at least that he shouldn't be. 

[thebrokendoll 14245]

56 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

August it still hadn't happened, mind. Howe himself says we're low on confidence, I'm just saying that confidence is a big deal really. If you lose it, it's difficult to fake. The players might have to earn it back again.

 

bollocks.

19th of july the skinny rat piece of human scum pulled a sickie before celtic. howe was clearly aware of his intentions prior to that. we're on the 10th of november, if  it's not 4 months we're quibbling about days here.

I hope at this point you don't think about I'm pulling you on this whole 'traumatised' thing on a personal basis, because I'm not. you're not the only one both on here and the wider net. it's not the notion as such that I have an issue with, it's the possibility that it could be a reality.

it's fucking pathetic, headspinningly so. any footballer at this club who cited that swedish thundercunt as a reason for their or our loss of form should never pull our shirt on again, the fucking pussies.

 

[Kid Dynamite 9340]

Some revisionism going on here mind. We only lost to Arsenal and Liverpool with 96th and 99th min winners earlier in the season. Comfortably beat Spurs, Benfica, Bilbao, USG, Bradford in the cups. Held our own against Barca.
 

There's not a huge post-Isak hangover in the dressing room, we've played some mint football at times with big Nick at the centre of it.

 

I suspect the issue is Howe demanding the  players play a high press, fast paced game, twice a week, with minimal rotation. Woltemade, Elanga, Gordon, Tonali, Bruno, Burn and Joelinton have also played a handful of internationals on top of that. We didn't figure out how to do it in 2023, and we haven't figured it out now. Same happened to Villa in the CL, but they seem to have hit a bit of form now alongside their EL games. 

Edited November 10 by Kid Dynamite

[Rayvin 8362]

41 minutes ago, thebrokendoll said:

 

bollocks.

19th of july the skinny rat piece of human scum pulled a sickie before celtic. howe was clearly aware of his intentions prior to that. we're on the 10th of november, if  it's not 4 months we're quibbling about days here.

I hope at this point you don't think about I'm pulling you on this whole 'traumatised' thing on a personal basis, because I'm not. you're not the only one both on here and the wider net. it's not the notion as such that I have an issue with, it's the possibility that it could be a reality.

it's fucking pathetic, headspinningly so. any footballer at this club who cited that swedish thundercunt as a reason for their or our loss of form should never pull our shirt on again, the fucking pussies.

 

 

I get the point man, and I'm not taking it personally, all good. I understand the sentiment you're conveying.

[aimaad22 6001]