PaddockLad 14911 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 6 minutes ago, Renton said: Not sure I follow. I think conscription would only occur in a WW1 or 2 situation where our nearest neighbours were under direct attack. Simply would never happen. Not to mention, if anything, we should be relieved at just how shit the Russian military has shown itself to be. They can't even take Ukraine, the useless corrupt bastards. If war in Ukraine hasn’t caused a nuclear catastrophe so far it’s highly unlikely that scenario will ever now occur iyam We've seen in the last 20 years that UK & USA/NATO will commit boots on the ground should the circumstances be deemed advantageous. Army recruitment is pitiful backed with the continuing Tory cuts to critical defence spending, if we’re to commit resources to other flashpoints around the globe that’s going to be difficult if most Divisions are committed to Ukraine The General’s comments yesterday come from the same place as the thinking behind the Nightingale Hospitals during the pandemic; plan for worse case scenario. If it’s not used, fine. Ex Army officer Tobias Elwood utterly skewered Johnson on this. There isn’t going to be a nuclear incident re Ukraine, it would’ve happened by now . There could well be a land war in Eastern Europe spreading westwards though and military figures are petrified that we wouldn’t be able to commit & cope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30796 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 No and the hypothetical scenario posited is ridiculous so still no 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18051 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 15 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: If war in Ukraine hasn’t caused a nuclear catastrophe so far it’s highly unlikely that scenario will ever now occur iyam We've seen in the last 20 years that UK & USA/NATO will commit boots on the ground should the circumstances be deemed advantageous. Army recruitment is pitiful backed with the continuing Tory cuts to critical defence spending, if we’re to commit resources to other flashpoints around the globe that’s going to be difficult if most Divisions are committed to Ukraine The General’s comments yesterday come from the same place as the thinking behind the Nightingale Hospitals during the pandemic; plan for worse case scenario. If it’s not used, fine. Ex Army officer Tobias Elwood utterly skewered Johnson on this. There isn’t going to be a nuclear incident re Ukraine, it would’ve happened by now . There could well be a land war in Eastern Europe spreading westwards though and military figures are petrified that we wouldn’t be able to commit & cope Well I dunno about that. End of the day Ukraine is not in NATO. If it had been, we would have been comitted to defend it directly, it wouldn't be a "proxy" war any more (dislike this term in this context, it's just a fucking war). Had Russia invaded Poland or a Baltic country, then it would be very different. I think it is clear now that in a conventional conflict between Russia and NATO, Russia would be obliterated. Their army is poorly equipped and trained and has corruption/morale issues. Supply lines break down over 50 miles. Their technology is laughable, NATO would have air superiority on day 1. The combined economic might of NATO is orders of magnitude higher than Russia. For these reasons, they will never dare to attack a NATO country. If they did, they would likely have to escalate to nuclear weapons very quickly or face humiliating defeat. Let's hope that doesn't ever happen. This is all pre-Trump second term mind. Putin might try something if the US leave NATO. Edited January 25 by Renton 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 17079 Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 Isn't there something too that we signed by Obama and the Russians re limiting nuclear warheads, that's up for renewal in the next couple of years isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 5850 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 6 minutes ago, Renton said: Well I dunno about that. End of the day Ukraine is not in NATO. If it had been, we would have been comitted to defend it directly, it wouldn't be a "proxy" war any more (dislike this term in this context, it's just a fucking war). Had Russia invaded Poland or a Baltic country, then it would be very different. I think it is clear now that in a conventional conflict between Russia and NATO, Russia would be obliterated. Their army is poorly equipped and trained and has corruption/morale issues. Supply lines break down over 50 miles. Their technology is laughable, NATO would have air superiority on day 1. The combined economic might of NATO is orders of magnitude higher than Russia. For these reasons, they will never dare to attack a NATO country. If they did, they would likely have to escalate to nuclear weapons very quickly or face humiliating defeat. Let's hope that doesn't ever happen. This is all pre-Trump second term mind. Putin might try something if the US leave NATO. Donald "first American president not to start a war" Trump will push the button on Iran on the same day as the inauguration. He was desperate to go to war with them until COVID came along and ruined his plans. If he gets in WW3 is inevitable IMO. Hopefully, he succumbs to his dementia before then, as it's becoming even more apparent that he is suffering with it considering he keeps talking about President Obama in all of his speeches/interviews despite it being almost a decade since Obama last held office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14911 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Alex said: No and the hypothetical scenario posited is ridiculous so still no If Trump gets in he’s handing Eastern Ukraine to Russia. So who then stops him taking the whole of Ukraine? US will be out of NATO by then. And if the US aren’t in NATO is the UK unilaterally going to nuke Russia?…. on Rabbie Burns birthday I’ll just say “ah hae ma doots”… Edited January 25 by PaddockLad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18051 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 2 minutes ago, Dazzler said: Donald "first American president not to start a war" Trump will push the button on Iran on the same day as the inauguration. He was desperate to go to war with them until COVID came along and ruined his plans. If he gets in WW3 is inevitable IMO. Hopefully, he succumbs to his dementia before then, as it's becoming even more apparent that he is suffering with it considering he keeps talking about President Obama in all of his speeches/interviews despite it being almost a decade since Obama last held office. Dementia won't stop him getting elected. He was absolutely railing against Nikki Hailey the other day, and it suddenly dawned on me the fucker meant Nancy Pelosi. Perhaps if he shits himself live on TV that might put people off him? I've got some sympathy for the US, 'cos the majority of people don't want either candidate. At this point, I am most angry at Biden for not stepping down, not mentoring and fostering a decent young replacement. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30796 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 3 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: If Trump gets in he’s handing Eastern Ukraine to Russia. So who then stops him taking the whole of Ukraine? US will be out of NATO by then I don’t know but it won’t be me. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18051 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 5 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: If Trump gets in he’s handing Eastern Ukraine to Russia. So who then stops him taking the whole of Ukraine? US will be out of NATO by then. And if the US aren’t in NATO is the UK unilaterally going to nuke Russia?…. on Rabbie Burns birthday I’ll just say “ah hae ma doots”… Ukraine could ward off Russia defensively with the help of NATO sans US I reckon. Defendng the borders is much easier than retaking lost land. We spent dacades being scared of the Soviet empire, only to find out now the emperor has no clothes. Edited January 25 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 5068 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 34 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said: Any nuclear strike on wearside would cause untold amounts of improvements. Every cloud… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18051 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 3 minutes ago, Holden McGroin said: Every button mushroom cloud… 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefilim 10 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) https://x.com/Glenn_Diesen/status/1750426168841372041?s= When did the Ukraine - Russia war start? I'd prefer not a single life be lost fighting a pointless war on behalf of the evil charachters that hide behind the veil of democracy. Edited January 25 by Nefilim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 5850 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 19 minutes ago, Renton said: Dementia won't stop him getting elected. He was absolutely railing against Nikki Hailey the other day, and it suddenly dawned on me the fucker meant Nancy Pelosi. Perhaps if he shits himself live on TV that might put people off him? I've got some sympathy for the US, 'cos the majority of people don't want either candidate. At this point, I am most angry at Biden for not stepping down, not mentoring and fostering a decent young replacement. Na it won't because the backward hillbillies that love him will not have the braincells necessary to realise he's making these howlers. Especially considering they all hated Obama because they've committed full time to the owld racism, so whenever he's slagging off Biden using Obama's name they'll be loving it, even though it clearly shows how unfit he is for office - among the other obvious reasons. He could shit himself live on air, directly into a maga hat and wipe his arse on a klan hood and they'd still vote him in. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14911 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 14 minutes ago, Renton said: Ukraine could ward off Russia defensively with the help of NATO sans US I reckon. Defendng the borders is much easier than retaking lost land. We spent dacades being scared of the Soviet empire, only to find out now the emperor has no clothes. So we let Putin with his pet orange chimp in the Whitehouse win?… and he’ll stop there will he? I don’t care about much these days but I think Putin & Trump pose a massive threat if/when that cunt gets back in. But as you say I expect we’ll just rollover and let a sovereign nation be taken over by its neighbour by force. Politicians will get client media to write the opinion pieces justifying it and that’ll be that… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14911 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 2 minutes ago, Nefilim said: https://x.com/Glenn_Diesen/status/1750426168841372041?s= When did the Ukraine - Russia war start? I'd prefer not a single life be lost fighting a pointless war on behalf of the evil charachters that hide behind the veil of democracy. Fuck off Parky not today 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefilim 10 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 minute ago, PaddockLad said: Fuck off Parky not today Wow - penetrated your echo chambor did I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9240 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Just now, Nefilim said: Wow - penetrated your echo chambor did I? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14911 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Just now, Nefilim said: Wow - penetrated your echo chambor did I? No. Parky was a poster on here with all the same theories that you have. Most of us are aware of the circumstances of the removal of the former President of Ukraine . I for one don’t want to go over old ground especially in a thread which is specifically about the likelihood or not for conscription in the UK and scenarios which might lead to it. There’s a Russia/Ukraine thread if you want to look in there 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 3724 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 hour ago, Renton said: Howay then, lets have a roll call on the mighty toontastic men ellifgible for conscription, lets say <40 years. Erm.... Dazzler, see above. ❌ Tom, gout, amongst many, many things. ❌ Rayvin, ❌ Andrew, New Zealand ❌ We're fucked lads. Currently 39 so I think I qualify. I wouldn’t do it though, it would be a war crime cos I’m so nails 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18051 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 2 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: So we let Putin with his pet orange chimp in the Whitehouse win?… and he’ll stop there will he? I don’t care about much these days but I think Putin & Trump pose a massive threat if/when that cunt gets back in. But as you say I expect we’ll just rollover and let a sovereign nation be taken over by its neighbour by force. Politicians will get client media to write the opinion pieces justifying it and that’ll be that… Nowt we can do about Trump, it depresses the hell out of me. I like to think, even in this country, Europe will get together to defend itself against Putin if it has to. Their military machine (nukes aside) is nothing to be scared of. I think it is likely Ukraine will ultimately lose the territory Russia has gained unfortunately, but the rot has to stop there imo. I was listening to a podcast this week which said in the early days Zhelensky was close to doing a deal with Russia but then Bucher happened and that was that. Maybe as some kind of compromise we could draw rUkraine into the EU and NATO fold. I honestly don't know how the majority of people living in eg. Donbas would feel about this, or rUkraine for that matter. Peace has to come about somehow. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefilim 10 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 minute ago, PaddockLad said: No. Parky was a poster on here with all the same theories that you have. Most of us are aware of the circumstances of the removal of the former President of Ukraine . I for one don’t want to go over old ground especially in a thread which is specifically about the likelihood or not for conscription in the UK and scenarios which might lead to it. There’s a Russia/Ukraine thread if you want to look in there Fair. Wasn't privvy to Parky, so excuse my reticence regarding the echo chamber! Yeah, understand this can very quickly transition into a whole different topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 7073 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Am too old but even if wasn’t they can fuck off, this shit tip isn’t worth fighting for. Depending on the invader, I may well look to help them though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30796 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 21 minutes ago, Nefilim said: Wow - penetrated your echo chambor did I? You dirty bastard 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30796 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Btw, has anyone pointed out conscription negates choice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14911 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 minute ago, Alex said: Btw, has anyone pointed out conscription negates choice? As in “THIS ISNT THE FREEDOM WHAT MY GRANDFATHER FOUGHT FOR!!! 😡”? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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