howe's team seemingly on a spiral of ever decreasing circles v guardiola's resurgent CITY who we always do so well against. get in, can't wait for this one! :

[Gemmill 62969]

2 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

I'd still prefer Man City (HMHM) to win the title than Arsenal tbh.

 

100%.

[Toonpack 15507]

Definitely City preferred for me too.

[SoHelpMeGod 241]

Same here, City. A lot of it for me has to do with the fact that Arsenal's supporters would become infinitely more insufferable if they won the league, which should be impossible. 

[thebrokendoll 14190]

51 minutes ago, trainman said:

Whinging? Nah, just putting across a point of view. If discussion is not allowed I'll leave you to it. FYI I thought a draw would have been fair, 4-4...

 

touchy cunt! 

im absolutely certain the drawbridges have been pulled by the red cartel and their puppet richard masters to make sure you were the last club ever to be in a position to challenge them again. while I might be envious of that and hope we can somehow manage a way around it, I dont begrudge man city their success and I'd still rather your lot won another title everyday of the week than the alternatives of your neighbours, the legoheaded cunt or the feral murderers from down the east lancs road. IF it's never to be us.

that said, we were worthy fucking winners on saturday man, it hasn't happened very often over the last 20 years, you're just gonna have to deal with it!

[ohhh_yeah 3615]

 

   

 

 

[wykikitoon 28475]

[The Fish 12521]

16 hours ago, SoHelpMeGod said:

Same here, City. A lot of it for me has to do with the fact that Arsenal's supporters would become infinitely more insufferable if they won the league, which should be impossible. 

 

 

Careful.

 

[OTF 10527]

3 hours ago, wykikitoon said:

https://www.instagram.com/p/DRZqFdDjFyg/?igsh=MTExZGM0dzZ1aTg4MA==

 

You need to see the whole post as above.

 

[Craig 12320]

On 23/11/2025 at 10:50, SoHelpMeGod said:

Seeing so many people crying online about how we "cheated" or "bought the match" is making the victory even sweeter. It's about time a few dodgy decisions and tight VAR calls went our way so I don't really care.

 

Though I am genuinely shocked that it didn't all go in City's favour.

 VAR wasn't reviewing if the decision was correct, it was whether there was a clear and obvious error. The fact the contact happened AFTER the ball had been played meant that by the letter of the law, it wasn't a clear and obvious error. 

Conversely if the ref had given the penalty, VAR wouldn't have overturned it. 

[Dr Gloom 26306]

22 hours ago, trainman said:

Whinging? Nah, just putting across a point of view. If discussion is not allowed I'll leave you to it. FYI I thought a draw would have been fair, 4-4...

 

we created the better chances, so no. 

[Gemmill 62969]

 

The xG agrees with @trainman

[Dr Gloom 26306]

good old infallible xG 

[Gemmill 62969]

1 minute ago, Dr Gloom said:

good old objective xG 

 

[Dr Gloom 26306]

1 minute ago, Gemmill said:

 

 

xG has a place but i watched the whole game through twice and i'm trusting my eyes on this occasion. did they have a single chance more clear cut than the tap in barnes missed in the first half? barnes should have scored four and woltemade could have had easily had a hat trick. 

 

of their chances, the foden effort was the only one i remember thinking - how did he miss that? pope was too close to haaland for this first chance for that to be a high value opportunity. haaland's other effort was a good chance but pope stood up well to it. were they many more i'm forgetting? one blazed over the bar from a tight angle at the side of the box late on. 

[Dr Gloom 26306]

i think xG is a useful tool to see if a team is running hot or under-performing across a season but sometimes you have to trust the eye test. i think we more than deserved the 3 points. 

[spongebob toonpants 5169]

14 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

 

The xG agrees with @trainman

Or does it....

 

[Gemmill 62969]

If you get the sofascore app you can click through all of the chances and get their xG score. For both sides.

 

If you look on the understat website at the expected points for each team, we both end up with an identical 1.38 points. Which means that if you replay the exact chances we each had thousands of times, we'd both end up with the same points over the long run. 

 

Which more or less tells you that a draw would have been a fair result. 

 

Edited November 25 by Gemmill

[Renton 27739]

13 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

good old infallible xG 

The xG on that Barnes miss just before half time must have been 1 alone.

[Gemmill 62969]

3 minutes ago, spongebob toonpants said:

Or does it....

 

 

Aye different models turn out slightly different results. The understat one I mention above has it 2.41 to 2.46.

[spongebob toonpants 5169]

2 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

If you get the sofascore app you can click through all of the chances and get their xG score. For both sides.

 

If you look on the understat website at the expected points for each team, we both end up with an identical 1.38 points. Which means that if you replay the exact chances we each had thousands of times, we'd both end up with the same points over the long run. 

 

Which more or less tells you that a draw would have been a fair result. 

 

Are you telling me the BBC is not to be trusted?

[Gemmill 62969]

2 minutes ago, Renton said:

The xG on that Barnes miss just before half time must have been 1 alone.

 

 

"just before half time", it was the 31st minute. 

 

Good old infallible eyes/memories.

 

[Gemmill 62969]

1 minute ago, spongebob toonpants said:

Are you telling me the BBC is not to be trusted?

 

You said it, not me. 

 

(I think they use Opta). 

[Dr Gloom 26306]

12 minutes ago, spongebob toonpants said:

Or does it....

 

 

[Isegrim 11876]

20 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

 

Aye different models turn out slightly different results. The understat one I mention above has it 2.41 to 2.46.

 

[trophyshy 8997]

Fuck me.  There’s nowt worse than the 2 day break between matches.