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One thing I've been reflecting on lately with respect of this argument over immigration, especially if it's coming up with family members - you don't need to 'win' that one because Labour have gone all in on it anyway. They've already halved incoming numbers and they're planning to get it down to about 200k, which would be a staggering achievement on that metric. Under the Tories we were at 900k net a year, it's now 400k. It's not going to improve anything, but it's one less thing we can blame - eventually maybe we'll be able to actually address a lot of this. I saw a good article the other day from 3 years ago, basically saying that sorting the housing crisis would alleviate so much of the pain atm: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2022/jan/17/the-big-idea-could-fixing-housing-fix-everything-else-too?CMP=share_btn_url

Yes Dave, you get spotters badge this lunchtime time

Well you'd think so... but am in the heart of the godly King Alfred's Saxon Wessex here, not THE LAND OF THE HEATHEN DANES!!!! 😡

Is that Shaftesbury?

No, that's why the quote says "In general".

All of them (us) ???

Keep an eye out for Wyki

Fellow 1970s kids! 😀 and the 1970s middle aged ie @Toonpack obvs .. Difficult to avoid the 21st century creeping in here this lunchtime but it's still very quaint...

My money is on Facebook.

So here is the other thing I heard the other day. First was Howe being described as sounding quite low. Then I heard "Mitchell" and "don't know if I'm just being paranoid but sounds to me like sabotage of a transfer deal". Uesless info really cos we're never going to know exactly what was being spoken about, but speculate away!

Wow man, so what you're actually saying is Andrew is from Silicon Valley and we on Toontastic are all part of the algorithm, man? I have one fact that destroys this theory.

I had to guide the Mrs away from Daily Mail online. She said she was only reading the celebrity shit but there was a distinct change in her step... way more goose-like.

Your last sentence.... Seriously, she's spot on still on most stuff but I can see bits creeping in and it's definitely Facebook and what/who she's seeing seeping in a little. (She's also a remainer).

Are we low balling though? How much is Mbeumo really worth? or Pedro, or Elanga? Is Mbeumo really worth more than £65m? Is Joao Pedro worth whatever Chelsea are paying him as wages? Is Elanga worth £45m+? My only issue with the Geuhi saga was that we didn't walk away earlier.

I mean, our regular journos all clearly get briefed by the club so I’m not sure “just don’t listen to them” holds much weight like

“Slightly different” Aye, just a bit, Keith, you fucking thick cunt

I agree with the first team strength, BUT, we have an ageing CB pairing at the moment. That needs addressing. We have Isak and Wheelchair Wilson. We will sign players, but when you have Howe like has been said saying he wants speed and then this glacial movement. We sound like we are low balling all over. Fine, that's part of negotiating, you don't do a Ridsdale and steam in with ridiculous offers, but we have to learn after the Guehi situation last year.

I heard an interview with Adam Curtis about his film ‘Hypernormalisation’ and what it means. He goes into a bit about the likes of Facebook and how the tech evangelists from Silicon Valley who created the algorithms will argue they are efficient. Because they create communities of like minded people who only see views and opinions they like. Apart from the untruths around things like Brexit being perpetuated though, which is an obvious negative to me, Curtis also points out this is deeply conservative as it stifles new ways of thinking. He argues the left has fallen into this trap and that the echo chambers it creates means all mainstream political movements have become essentially conservative. And that was about 10 years ago and things have moved on since then. But not for the better. How we or politicians manoeuvre out of this now is difficult to imagine without some sort of revolutionary change in the way people think. Another point is that people instinctively know things are getting worse and living standards are falling for most but feel completely powerless. They feel similar about political leaders. And that mindset is conservative too. Because you resist the big changes needed through fear of losing everything. So become complicit in that decline by accepting it. And on that happy note….

Yeah I've even started to hear this from my vehemently Labour voting parents. I mentioned how childcare is now up to £80 a day and my dad said that people shouldn't have kids if they can't afford them. I was genuinely raging. We're pretty lucky in that we both have jobs and both earn a decent amount. We shop modestly, we drive reasonable cars, we save money where we can and we aren't frivolous. However, we can't account for mortgages going up as much as they did, we can't account for utility bills exploding, we can't account for old cunts voting for Brexit because of "reasons" meaning among other things that food shops are vastly more expensive. I'm paying about £200 a month on gas and electric, paying about £1k a month on childcare, the same on the mortgage. Cutting back on avocados or Netflix isn't going to plug those financial gaps, Dad.

Tough one when it's your missus saying that stuff. Sounds like she needs to spend some time in the Toontastic Re-education Camp. Get that woman a login!

Almost had an argument with the missus when as a by-product of talking about the pip fiasco which obviously could affect us she in a roundabout way put immigration as a problem which should be looked at before the disabled, I mentioned the phillipson comments the other day about falling birth rates and they just needed to reverse Brexit and get rich cunts to start to pay their taxes for a start and her reply was Brexit will never be reversed as they'd be kicked out straight away. I said the polls are overwhelmingly anti-brexit but she disagrees when it comes down to it, but the absolute zinger was me saying, in relation to the falling birth rate, that young people aren't having kids because of the state of the cost of living/shit deal they have etc and she reposted a lot of it was to do with being taken over in our country!!! I couldn't believe what my corbynista wife was saying? I got up to make the dinner as it was starting to get heated but I should've said 'I bet Corbyn wouldn't agree with you?' I put this 100% on Facebook and reading shit like the chronicle letters page. She'll argue disability rights with people on there and she'll be right but it's almost like the conquer and divide arguement in action with regards to immigration.

Makes you think