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The IDF is not a person. But I agree with your sentiment. But regarding individuals, plenty of people openly wished Thatcher dead and celebrated her death. I too thought that was distasteful but hardly an imprisonable offence in a free society.

Couldn’t even push his trolley over the line, even though it was a Friday at 3pm

We're after Leonardo Balerdi from Marseille according to Hope. And that man.... Is..... A CENTRE BACK. 🚨🚨🚨DEFENSIVE PRIORITY KLAXON!! 🚨🚨🚨

As compassionate people we shouldn't be calling for the death of anyone. If this crime meets a threshold from existing legislation to be treated as a hate crime, then it simply does. We shouldn't express any particularly strong views on it anyway, it's a sensitive issue and genuinely if this does become a hate crime then some of the things being said in here about the situation could be viewed that way too.

If I say "Kill the Russian army", does that mean I literally want to kill all Russians? Because that's where the logical claim of antisemitism in this case would bring me. Of course I wouldn't be talking literally about killing any individual, it would be killing the organisation I'd be referring to. But aye, let's waste money and bring this to court. It really isn't whataboutery at all though, the "crimes" are directly connected. I don't see it remotely as a hate crime personally, I don't equate the IDF as being synonymous with being Jewish, but if I'm not allowed an opinion based on my non-jewish ethnicity then yes, let's take it to court and let them decide. Meanwhile let the atrocities continue and make sure nobody can speak out against it for fear of being labelled an antisemite.

It’s a fucking stupid thing to say but they’re trying to make a point rather than anything else imo. It’s one thing inciting a group who are in a position to carry something out and a different matter when it’s a situation like this. I’m not saying you can say what you want without consequences but I feel like it’s not a particularly proportionate response by the media and politicians given the wider context and the obvious war crimes being committed with the tacit approval of ours and other governments

this is whataboutery. of course it isn't on the same magnitude as what is happening in gaza, but that's not what we're talking about. they're calling for the death of an entire army, which is made up almost exclusively of jewish people inciting murder on stage is a hate crime - take it up with the police, not me. it was a fucking stupid thing to do and the heat they're getting now shouldn't surprise them.

if you lead a chant of "death to the IDF" you are inciting the murder of an entire army. i'm not here to defend the IDF - or the despicable government giving them their orders - but a chant like that is a different ball park to "free palestine" or "fuck kier starmer". like i said, the army includes many peaceniks who want fuck all to do with what is happening but tragically have no choice - they are forced to serve

Do you think that's what they were doing? I think they were calling for the death of those murdering starving civilians. Is it distasteful? Yes, I think it is. Is it calling for the death of jewish people. No, it isn't. Is it on the same magnitude as those actually doing the daily slaughter, which was deemed less newsworthy by the BBC? No it's clearly not. I normally stay out of these discussions because of the sensitivities involved. But the atrocities committed in Gaza and the rank hypocrisy of our politicians and news media are getting very hard to ignore.

I think we can work to the definitions provided by the IHRA at minimum. If we can't, there's no line anywhere. There needs to be a shared and agreed basis for what things mean otherwise society just makes no sense. Not to me at least.

it can be applied to any minority, not just jews. i wouldn't tell a person of colour, or a woman, or any minority what they should or shouldn't find offensive to them because i have zero idea about their lived experience

I'm seeing this get said a lot these days tbh but if you think it through it's a pretty dangerous sentiment. That could apply to literally anything. I mean for one thing, supporting Israel's right to defend itself could then become Islamophobic - not up to us to define whether it is or not, it's up to Muslims. The whole debate would just become ridiculous.

It's not really for you to judge what is antisemitic and what isn't. plenty of jews found it offensive and that's all that matters on that score. i found those chants pretty distasteful and the morons chanting along with it in the crowd don't have a clue about the reality. for example, my cousins' kids are all pro-peace and do not want to have to fight in this conflict but they don't get to choose to serve in the IDF, or not. i like kneecap. i watched the set and enjoyed it. no problem with pro-palestinian chanting as far as i'm concerned. calling for the death of a bunch of conscripted soldiers is another matter.

that is a total fucking stupid, pointless lie. What a set of dickheads they are, they're like their own support group. They're all lying, they all know they're lying, but it's making them feel better about thenselves so no one's prepared to produce the pin and burst the bubble. Proper sad sacks.

Agreed, it's absolutely ridiculous. Someone with some plums should be standing up in the HoC and saying wtf are we doing here? You've got the IDF shooting at civilians queuing for food and you've got a rapper on stage starting chants. Which is the more damaging here? Just as a reality check for people. Honestly the human race has lost its fucking mind.

I was reading Labour's guidelines on antisemitism which are informed by the IHRA. I don't understand how we've gotten to where we are: 13. In contrast, discussion of the circumstances of the foundation of the Israeli State (for example, in the context of its impact on the Palestinian people) forms a legitimate part of modern political discourse. So does discussion of – including critical comment on – differential impact of Israeli laws or policies on different people within its population or that of neighbouring territories. It is not racist to assess the conduct of Israel – or indeed of any other particular State or government – against the requirements of international law or the standards of behaviour expected of democratic States (bearing in mind that these requirements and standards may themselves be contentious). 14. However, care must be taken when dealing with these topics. The fact of Israel’s description as a Jewish State does not make it permissible to hold Jewish people or institutions in general responsible for alleged misconduct on the part of that State (see paragraph 9.g.). In addition, it is wrong to apply double standards by requiring more vociferous condemnation of such actions from Jewish people or organisations than from others – a form of racist treatment also all too common in other contexts, eg. holding Muslims or Muslim organisations to a higher standard than others as regards condemnation of illegal or violent acts by self-defining “Islamic” organisations or States (such as Saudi Arabia or Pakistan). It is also wrong to accuse Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations. 15. The term “Zionism” is intimately bound up in the history of Israel’s foundation as a State and in its role in international relations more generally. It is inevitable that the expressions “Zionism” and “Zionist” will feature in political discourse about these topics. The meaning of these expressions is itself debated. It is not antisemitism to refer to “Zionism” and “Zionists” as part of a considered discussion about the Israeli State. However, as the Chakrabarti Report advised, it is not permissible to use “Zionist” (and still less any pejorative abbreviation such as ‘zio’ which the Chakrabarti report said should have no place in Labour Party discourse) as a code word for “Jew”. Chakrabarti recommended that Labour Party members should only use “the term `Zionist’ advisedly, carefully and never euphemistically or as part of personal abuse”. Such language may otherwise provide evidence of antisemitic intent. I would fundamentally agree on every word of that. What I'm struggling with is why the IDF are some sort of protected characteristic. It's in poor taste to chant for their death absolutely, I don't condone it and I would never say it (same as for Russian troops) - but at the same time it doesn't feel like antisemitism per these definitions. In the end though I think we just need to make peace with this - the government has chosen a side and it's Israel/Trump. I'm increasingly concerned about being watchlisted over expressing views about this in case I need to travel to the US tbh, or indeed being charged with terrorism by the UK.

There was an incident a while back where a Palestinian lad the same age as my eldest was shot and killed. His family said he was gathering almonds and the Israeli government spokesperson said they were a terrorist throwing stones at cars on a busy road. Now even if you accept the latter version, they’re basically admitting they think it’s justifiable to kill kids for throwing stones. I know that’s just one drop in a sea of tragedies but how is it somehow worse in the eyes of government to criticise the IDF, however clumsily? Actually then talking about prosecuting them as well? I don’t see how it’s hate speech. I actually think conflating the IDF and its actions with all Jewish people, which is essentially what is being done with the reaction, is far worse. On top of which there will be more people happy to use it to bash the bbc than there will be people with genuine concerns about antisemitism.

RTG have an “Airport Mags” thread This comment got me thinking…….the barman knew he was a Mackem cos he asked for a blue pop, cheese slice & was fingering his sister whilst jangling his keys

They might sort you with some of those blue pills if you ask nicely? @PaddockLad hope you get it sorted, doesn't sound pleasant, I keep getting the picture of the Scottish bloke in Austin Powers, now.

I saw him at Benton Asda on the phone, couldn't make out what he was saying but didn't really think I missed anything seismic tbh. Wide of the mark.

Top half, Newcastle United 3rd shirt, 2025-26, bottom half Germany home shorts and socks, 1924-25.

Talk of the devil. Toontastic, falling to bits since 2004. You need this.

That sounds awful, hope you get sorted with this injection. Let me know if you want a referral for some of the good stuff.

Am a fucking health economist you cunt, rationing NHS resources is my job. I've said it before, the most cost effective healthcare intervention, using current cost effectiveness methodology, for old people is actually a gun. Seriously. But we need to keep people like me to make these realisations cos you kids are thick as fuck. 👍