AgentAxeman

thats only the new testament isnt it? the old testament is way older (hence the name) but im not certain anyone knows the true date of origin for christianity. i was under the impression that Islam as a faith came into being in the 7/8th century? Not sure what that's got to do with the persecution of muslims in Switzerland today though. Even if Islam did spread around christian countries 15 centuries ago, do you think the spread of christianity to those countries had been any less violent previously? You sound like Nick Griffin when you start selectively choosing the point in history from when you want the line drawn in the sand. Why not put a ban in place to stop the growth of christianity so we can remain the pagans we originally were? Ironic to hear people bemoan the intolerance of muslims while not tolerating muslim churches. whoooah big lad, high horse stop!!! wtf?? why am i being compared to Nick Griffin? the comparison of religion was not the original topic of this post. in fact, you're the one who originally cast the christians as invaders in muslim countries. my answer was simply a retort to that obviouslly religiouslly motivated statement. please point out where i have 'bemoaned the intolerance of muslims'? Because Nick Griffin made a tit of himself on Question Time harking back to the exact point in time when Britain became white and dismissing any history prior to that. I only cast the christians as invaders to redress the balance after you cast them as unfortunate victims of the spread of Islam across the middle East. As you say, all of that gets away from the point of the original post. Which when you said "at least there's one functioning democracy left", i assumed meant you want a vote on banning a specific religion. If you have no problem with it, why do you want a referendum? I didnt cast Christians or Muslims as anything. i didnt write the original article, its copied and pasted off the BBC website. whats wrong with my statement of theres one functioning democracy left? the fact that the swiss government has listened to the popular vote kinda proves the point of the statement. the popular vote wins. thats what democracy is. and i have no desire to have a referendum on the building of minarets in this country. i dont believe i've asked for a referendum anywhere in this topic? where did that statement come from? as i said earlier, religion was not the original topic here. it was the fact that democracy was seen in action at a time when we see very little of it!

thats only the new testament isnt it? the old testament is way older (hence the name) but im not certain anyone knows the true date of origin for christianity. i was under the impression that Islam as a faith came into being in the 7/8th century? Not sure what that's got to do with the persecution of muslims in Switzerland today though. Even if Islam did spread around christian countries 15 centuries ago, do you think the spread of christianity to those countries had been any less violent previously? You sound like Nick Griffin when you start selectively choosing the point in history from when you want the line drawn in the sand. Why not put a ban in place to stop the growth of christianity so we can remain the pagans we originally were? Ironic to hear people bemoan the intolerance of muslims while not tolerating muslim churches. whoooah big lad, high horse stop!!! wtf?? why am i being compared to Nick Griffin? the comparison of religion was not the original topic of this post. in fact, you're the one who originally cast the christians as invaders in muslim countries. my answer was simply a retort to that obviouslly religiouslly motivated statement. please point out where i have 'bemoaned the intolerance of muslims'?

thats only the new testament isnt it? the old testament is way older (hence the name) but im not certain anyone knows the true date of origin for christianity. i was under the impression that Islam as a faith came into being in the 7/8th century? hey I am probably wrong you know, religion is not my stong point as for the new/old testament thing I thought that christianity dealt with new and the jews had the old possibly, like you Andrew i have little knowledge on the subject of religion. imo theyre all a bit 'nutty' anyway!

thats only the new testament isnt it? the old testament is way older (hence the name) but im not certain anyone knows the true date of origin for christianity. i was under the impression that Islam as a faith came into being in the 7/8th century?

Damn right!! edit: btw Happy, how many of those countries were Christian before the Islam faith came into being?

Swiss referendum 'reflects unease with Islam' As a Swiss referendum backs a ban on the building of minarets, the BBC's Islamic affairs analyst Roger Hardy looks at the often uneasy relationship between Islam and Europe. Swiss People's Party poster against minarets The campaign against minarets was led by the Swiss People's Party It might be argued that Switzerland is a special case without much relevance to the rest of Europe. It is true enough that the country has its own individual form of popular democracy - and that it is home to only 320,000 Muslims, between 4% and 5% of the population. But it is not just in Switzerland that the presence of growing Muslim communities has polarised opinion. A series of controversies from the Rushdie affair 20 years ago to the more recent row over Danish cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad have reflected the unease that many Europeans feel about this relatively new Muslim presence. This is not confined to a few tabloid newspapers or a few xenophobic right-wing parties. It is an Islamophobia driven by a variety of factors. Since the attacks of 9/11 in the United States, and the bombings in Madrid and London, Muslims have often been regarded as a security threat. They are seen as not just resistant to integration, but determined to impose their values on the Christian or post-Christian societies of the West. For governments anxious to maintain social harmony at home and good relations with Muslim governments abroad, this poses a set of difficult dilemmas. And for many of the estimated 15 million Muslims in Western Europe, the Swiss vote will be seen as one more sign that - whatever governments may say - they are simply not welcome. well at least theres still one functioning democracy left in europe i guess...............

And you would seriously choose that over getting back into the top flight? I don't see why its a case of choosing one or the other. But yes without doubt I would take winning the FA Cup over promotion this season. I want to see us win a trophy Ha ha. Like we've really got any chance of winning the FA cup this year? I've got more chance of winning the lottery (and I don't do the lottery). Pointless competition for those not in the top league imo. this, but i reckon its a competition only the top 6/8 teams in the country could/will win and unfortunately we aint one of em'! :-(

Alcatrazz - No Parole From Rock and Roll (Album) you gotta love these early 80's album names!!

As much as i like a tag that my friend is rankzilla! I'm a fan of the Carrerra range, i give you..... The Carrerra is much nicer than the Tag KD was after imo. Tag is a bit chunky/ostentatious for my tastes.

maybe she does all the dirty stuff his missus wont? she looks like a proper dirty bitch to me!

not my cup of tea but good on yer lads! keep it up!!

this. its all down to what feels comfortable to you. best to go to a couple of shops and have a bit of a try and see what feels good in your hands.

I always thought Kilgallon was canny like. replacement for Saylor/Colo maybe?

according to SSN, Avram Grant has just been appointed as manager.

fuckin hell, my overdrafts bigger than that!! oh, and also, YAY!!! fookin Bin dippers getting what they deserve nad all that............... "and"

fuckin hell, my overdrafts bigger than that!! oh, and also, YAY!!! fookin Bin dippers getting what they deserve nad all that...............

Raylor's canny at the old crossing the ball malarky. not very good at much else tho..............

shit game, very rough at times but we got 3pts away from home which is no mean feat! thought Simpson and Enrique were fantastic. really pushed on away from home which aint easy. Guthrie was a bit shite and the less said about Harewood the better. Dutty was decent when he came on but i reckon i would have prefered Pancake instead of Lovenkrands coming on simply for the physical presence. I know he's not fit (Pancake i mean) but he must be able to last for 20mins shirley? WE ARE TOP OF THE LEAGUE, I SAID WE ARE TOP OF THE LEAGUE.................. fuckin hell, 6 cans and i'm going all accaspastic!!

Meenz? you have a lass now?

Anyone know if pancake got clearance for this one??

thats right, it was those god damn pesky dinosaurs (if you believe such creatures actually existed) farting all the time!!

What do you think these new sources will be? not a new source i guess but the green party is advocating Nuclear as a short term solution Are you sure? I thought they were fundamentally against nuclear power, and that's one reason I would never vote for them. That and they are smelly tree hugging hippies of course. there was a big hoo hah in the green party (last year?) when they changed their policy towards nuclear. in the short term, its seen as the lesser of 2 evils i would guess!

What do you think these new sources will be? not a new source i guess but the green party is advocating Nuclear as a short term solution

Me too, this scares me so much. I'd imagine the prospect would be terrifying if Snakehips was in the vicinity. for you or TR??