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Tbf the Army were welcomed by catholics when they first came over but it soon transpired that their intentions certainly weren't to win hearts and minds, they're heavy handed tactics meant that they ended up losing the confidence of both sides of the community. I have a general question if anyone cares to have a go at answering it, what were the alternatives for Northern Irish catholics? They were discriminated against for jobs and housing, they were disenfranchised and under represented in the Northern Ireland parliament, their attempts and peaceful protest were being ignored, they were being thrown in jail without trial, Thatcher was letting an MP die on hunger strike, they simply didn't have a voice. I'm not defending terrorism but this wasn't just about getting a united Ireland, it was also about the institutional discrimination against a community that didn't have a voice. So violence aside, what could they have done? Easy for me to say with hindsight, but, by keeping the high moral ground, they would have eventually got their fair share as a community in Northern Ireland, if that was their aim. Unfortunately things don't change overnight but they inevitably do, clever media manipulation in a media age will get you pretty far. I don't think it's a coincidence that Apartheid, the fall of Soviet empire, and the Irish peace process all happened within a few years of each other. Peaceful Catholic protesters would have had their voices heard and would have had even more strong support from the USA in my opinion. For those who wanted a United Ireland, by resorting to violence they lost the high moral ground. Also, any fear of the IRA changing their stance and getting back to what they were in the seventies and eighties went to fuck when those planes flew into World Trade centre in my opinion.

It's not in the public interest to name them imo. Most of the people seem to be happy that the dead have been cleared of any wrongdoing and that Cameron has issued an apology, in fact they're very pleased with the PM's words. IIRC the soldiers were originally going to be named but got a court order to guarantee their anonymity, still doesn't prevent them from prosecution and the DPP is going to look at the report. lets hope they prosecute the murdering scumbags Adams and McGuiness too then. Somehow I doubt it though. Why are so many people so keen to point the finger at security services on so many occasions like this, and not the real scumbags ? Fuck off you old twat. real scumbags? if by scumbag you refer to murderers and killers of the innocent then you must mean the British army. My Dad once thought he stopped McGuinness when he was a wanted terrorist, but wasn't 100% sure if it was him. If he suspected he was him, one thing my Dad never did was to pull him out of his car, drag him to some waste ground, torture him and then kill him in cold blood. Would my Dad have got the same consideration had the tables been turned? I still remember those poor intelligence blokes who drove down the wrong street and were murdered at a funeral. Really, Kevin, I think you'll find the troubles and the terrorists would have ceased to be a big problem pretty quickly if rules and laws didn't have to be followed. In 30 years this was the worst thing that happened by the British Army and we're still having enquiries to this day! Don't think many countries would have bothered to do this and also apologise to be honest. Without going into details I've had relatives shot by terrorists, one of them was a civilian driving a bus, and that was his only crime, they wanted his bus. So Kevin, do me a favour mate and go stick your head back up your own arse, son. Any legitimacy a terrorist thinks he has goes out the window when they start murdering people. Was your Da a soldier over here? So you think that 13 innocent people murdered should have been swept under the rug the day after? My head is far from up my own arse, it's only you English that find it hard to accept that your soldiers murdered innocent people. Thats the simple fact. Don't say about the IRA etc. because they killed alot more innocent people, they aren't an official armed force. No, I don't think I said that. In a peace keeping conflict, helping the local police, in 30 years, when young men are sent onto the streets with weapons and no idea if someone in a window in a street will shoot them, when people have threw molatov cocktails at them, when they don't know if rioters will do any more than just throw bricks at them, then I think it's a surprise there hasn't been more innocent deaths caused by the Army to be honest. Good job they were almost always professional and didn't just kill any daft young kid who got in their faces. There'd have been a blood bath every few months.

It's not in the public interest to name them imo. Most of the people seem to be happy that the dead have been cleared of any wrongdoing and that Cameron has issued an apology, in fact they're very pleased with the PM's words. IIRC the soldiers were originally going to be named but got a court order to guarantee their anonymity, still doesn't prevent them from prosecution and the DPP is going to look at the report. lets hope they prosecute the murdering scumbags Adams and McGuiness too then. Somehow I doubt it though. Why are so many people so keen to point the finger at security services on so many occasions like this, and not the real scumbags ? Fuck off you old twat. real scumbags? if by scumbag you refer to murderers and killers of the innocent then you must mean the British army. My Dad once thought he stopped McGuinness when he was a wanted terrorist, but wasn't 100% sure if it was him. If he suspected he was him, one thing my Dad never did was to pull him out of his car, drag him to some waste ground, torture him and then kill him in cold blood. Would my Dad have got the same consideration had the tables been turned? I still remember those poor intelligence blokes who drove down the wrong street and were murdered at a funeral. Really, Kevin, I think you'll find the troubles and the terrorists would have ceased to be a big problem pretty quickly if rules and laws didn't have to be followed. In 30 years this was the worst thing that happened by the British Army and we're still having enquiries to this day! Don't think many countries would have bothered to do this and also apologise to be honest. Without going into details I've had relatives shot by terrorists, one of them was a civilian driving a bus, and that was his only crime, they wanted his bus. So Kevin, do me a favour mate and go stick your head back up your own arse, son. Any legitimacy a terrorist thinks he has goes out the window when they start murdering people.

I know a rich and spoilt 16 year old. He's not into football strips but £300 pound to a good home. (I'm still in two minds to sell it, it's got sentimental value). £400 to a twat disclaimer: Virgins must give proof of funds and also have parental permission for me to sell the kit to them.

I know what you mean, mate. Even their names sounded cool as fuck to a young'un.

£210? Hmmmn, I've still got the full kit.............. (anyone know any rich, spoilt ten year olds who are into retro football strips?)

To be fair, if you're from the South-East he's probably funny as fuck. If you're from the North and have superior patter and humour then 'twat' he is, or 'unfunny twat' to be more precise.

Although I wouldn't go as far as Toonpack and support whoever is playing England, I certainly wouldn't be devastated if England do shite, wouldn't be ecstatic if they win it. I love the World Cup because it's great to see the spectacle and there's no real feelings of disappointment as I almost feel a neutral watching it. There are no transfer fees, no sugar daddies and the feeling of hating another country doesn't come into it for me. I hope England do well but wont be crying into my pint if they don't. Maybe the double standards by the media when it comes to us and their own myopic and deluded view of England doesn't help. Also feel that for 'England', read 'London/South-East'. It's fine to laugh and mock us for being gutted when we got relegated but it's ok to be devastated when England get beat in a penalty shoot-out. Nah, don't think so.

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credit expert ad This is just so shit it's untrue. I'd love to have seen the bloke who thought this ad up selling it to his boss. 'Go compare' is fucking annoying too. 'injury lawyers 4 u' with the bloke from the Bill, in fact all their adverts are cringeworthy.

hes right about that to be fair, lots of media love for liverpool there was barely a mention of them protesting the board in the street if our fans had done that on a similar scale it would have been everywhere Similarly Hansen and Lawrenson trot out the notion the fans never turned against him even though you had 'Rafa Out' graffiti daubed near the ground on several occasions (meanwhile we forced Fat Sam out despite that not being accurate). Also, the fun and games here of late was seen as just that - a soap opera for everyone's amusement. But the 'disaster' at Liverpool (coming 7th and almost making a European final) is met with moral outrage because of the 'heritage' of the great club that is LFC. Here man, fuck off They are the OJ Simpson of English football. They get away with fucking murder. They were the best team in the country when money didn't totally rule the game. That was twenty plus years ago. How they still get regarded as one of the creme de la creme is beyond me and the media they get is usually complimentary especially in comparison to ourselves who, lets be honest, get fucking slaughtered by all and sundry. Spurs, West Ham, Arsenal, Man Utd and Liverpool. The sun shines out of these clubs arseholes where a significant part of our media are concerned.

Got a Villa booked in Cyprus, go there with wifey and daughters in just under three weeks, stayed just down the road last year and it was canny enough. I've grafted my arse off since Christmas and can't wait for two weeks away from work. And the World cup's on as well! * Fucking magic. *i'm even prepared to put up with cockneys talking shite on the days England play, that's how much I'm looking forward to it.

I've never seen a ticket sold to a fellow Mag at more than face value in any away match I've ever been to, (not saying it hasn't happened), but the looks you'd get and the shame of it. You just wouldn't do it.* *If we attracted gloryhunters from the rest of the UK and abroad peoples stances may change and the guilt might not be there.

No fucking sense of humour, you, then.

Gennaro walks to work 20 blocks every day and passes a shoe shop twice every day. Each day he stops and looks in the window to admire the Boccelli leather shoes. He wants those shoes so much... it's all he can think about. After about 2 months he saves the price Of the shoes, 300 Euros, and purchases them. Every Friday night the Italian community Holds a dance in the church basement. Gennaro seizes this opportunity to wear His new Boccelli leather shoes for the first time. He asks Sophia to dance and As they dance he asks her, 'Sophia, do you wear red panties tonight?' Startled, Sophia replies, 'Yes, Gennaro, I do wear red panties tonight, But how do you know?' Gennaro answers, 'I see the reflection in my new 300 Euro Boccelli leather shoes. How do you like them?' Next he asks Rosa to dance, And after a few minutes he asks, 'Rosa , do you wear white panties tonight?' Rosa answers, 'Yes, Gennaro, I do, But how do you know that?' He replies, 'I see the reflection in my new 300 Euro Boccelli leather shoes... How do you like them?' Now as the evening is almost over And the last song is being played, Gennaro asks Carmela to dance. Midway through the dance his face Turns red... He states, 'Carmela, be stilla my heart, Please, please tell me you wear no panties tonight, Please, please, tella me this true!' Carmela smiles coyly and answers, 'Yes Gennaro, I wear no panties tonight...' Gennaro gasps, 'Thanka God .... ....I thought I had a CRACK in my 300 Euro Boccelli leather shoes!'

Well now I know not to bother making a fuss seeing as our owner has made his statement. I'll just carry on grazing with the rest of the sheep, then. Good job you're around.

Yes he must have, and he's now stating that he disagrees with it. Did you not read the lads post?

Bollocks. Brainwashed by the football media of this country? He lost his rag and told it how it was. Nothing to be embarrassed about.

Well done on getting in, Stevie. Next time we get to Wembley I'll give 'Club Wembley' some serious consideration. Sounds fab. And the bloke from the Hong Kong branch? Can't wait to hear his patter. Percy gets it right. Far too expensive, too many corporates, too many games to pay it off. (I'll not even bother complaining about the fact that England only play there, good luck to England but they don't represent all of the country, only London and the South-East). Yours, A miserable twat.

It comes across as pathetic to me. The Mail is a scummy paper, but it's funny how I never heard a peep from NUFC when it's supporters get routinely slagged by all and sundry.

How to spoil an otherwise decent post. Ha'way Billy! You seem to be on here enough. What's the point of that shite?

and nobody yet has answered my comment re banning the Guardian.........so yes I agree with you. The Guardian has certainly been more active in slating Newcastle United and in particular its supporters. Maybe the regime will ban them as well. If they're that bothered, like.

Par for the course with these types. "No, I really love Noocarsell, I just didn't think of the shit-storm that would come my way for printing anti-Geordie hear-say as fact didn't mean for it to come across badly.

This Taylor bloke is now saying he really likes us Geordies and he meant to praise us, rather than condemn us? Hmmmmn..... Bullshit methinks. Let's hope he sues the Guardian for misrepresentation then.

Nice to see the regime getting all hot and bothered about England rather than NUFC. I remember being a hell of a lot more pissed off when I read that St. James' Park was going to lose it's name than when I heard of the latest FA knob getting caught out as he tried to impress the latest lass who let a bloke old enough to be her dad hump her so she could enjoy any perks she could get. Diff'rent strokes etc.