Rayvin

"Fuck the Greek Civilisation" feels like it could have been on a Brexit poster.

That is a superb article. I'm amazed it's come from the Telegraph. Proper fucking journalism, and nice to see.

It's hard to imagine, if he does go, what the point in all of this was for Johnson. Devastate the country just to be PM for a year and a half? No one is going to remember him fondly after this, he won't be considered a hero or a national treasure. What the fuck has the point been for him personally?

I'll level with you. I wasn't really paying much attention to what he was saying at that point and just filled in things around the edges based on what I thought I heard. Maybe he said he read this in the Times indeed Either way, the message is the important thing!

Labour on level with the Tories in the polls. Both on 40%. This is clearly good news, but then I've also been told by my dad who knows a guy who is on conversational terms with Cumming's dad (I know) that the plan is for Johnson to step down in January after having delivered Brexit, for Cummings to go with him, and then you would expect the Tories to use that as an opportunity to draw a line under everything, once again. It'll be interesting to see where that takes us in the end but while this is positive news it'll need to keep up for quite a while..!

Yeah that's true tbh, and I'm not sure they can see it, so insular they are. In 4 years he has brought the American hegemony to its knees. There is no chance whatsoever that they will be the sole superpower by the end of a second term, if indeed it is still possible to say that about them now. Granted, it's probably best for the world that they aren't in that position anyway, but the speed of the decline is creating power vacuums all over the place which are being filled by other immature civilisations (Russia, China, Brazil). If we saw the Western world unify across a broadly European set of ideals, I think that would be a positive end to the US empire. As it is, we're going to get Putin-lite all over the place.

Fair tbh, it says a lot about how far gone I think the world is now that I consider the Cameron that waved in austerity as benign.. kind of stunned I even said that

I mean, I'm considering Biden to be a pre-Brexit catastrophe Cameron. The benign, first term Cameron. Not the Cthulu Destroyer of Worlds version of his second term.

I'm fairly well established as left wing. I would vote for Biden here every time because Trump is too great a threat to take a moral stand over. It's not the normal kinda bullshit where you can't tell the two sides apart.

I wouldn't go that far. He has a long way to go to win from where he is. It's not like Corbyn vs Johnson here either, it's closer to Johnson versus Cameron. The sensible right will vote for the Cameron in that scenario every time.

Currently on the cusp of appointing a former Australian PM to negotiate in "our national interest" with a current Australian PM. Boris is pathetic.

Really sorry to hear this Renton - she'll be glad her brother is there for her at least, cruel as life is.

Reasonable worst case scenario for the end of the year, according to the government: - Army on the streets - Food drops by the airforce - Navy intervening in turf wars between fishermen - Widespread disease rampant through livestock - Riots https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/the-sun-publish-cabinet-office-paper-on-impacts-of-brexit-and-covid-19-1-6805548 I think we might be in trouble if even Johnson's government is now fully considering things like the above. In part because it'll almost certainly be worse than their "reasonable" worst case, and in part because if this is the worst case, even if they've identified what they need to do months in advance, they're too incompetent to handle the 'on the fly' aspects of managing the situation anyway. As they've proven time and time again.

I think we probably all need to get out ahead of it with family as far as possible. This is just the sort of shit that my Mum would end up falling for so I'll have to discredit QAnon well in advance. I've managed to steer her away from Brexit, and she begrudgingly admits Johnson is a twat, but she also believes that there's a NWO and plans to implement a one world government on the sly - and she has at least entertained the idea that the pandemic was orchestrated by those who want to reduce human population. The only thing that seems to be keeping her off properly believing that is that if that was the plan, it was a fucking shit attempt. Some people really are very vulnerable to the internet and I think it does need some work to correct this. Some kind of childlock but for people who can't pass basic critical thinking tests.

Aye - knowing wrong, having the option to choose something else, and doing wrong anyway is worse than doing it because you can't help yourself. A bit stunned that she's resigned because her daughter is trying to emancipate herself though, that's a new one.

This is it for me, too. Brexit is the fundamental in all of this and has been for years. The union, the economy, the country, none of it matters except their bluster and refusal to admit being wrong. Not sure we'll have a non-Tory government now until we're discussing rejoining the union.

The UK's hardest minges Not sure how appealing that sounds tbh.

Whenever you debate ewerk, you need to make sure you've been consistent on a viewpoint for at least the past 15 years

Rewriting the test to achieve what, in future? I've made peace with this now, and also with ceasing to pay any attention to the PL anymore. I'm not going to sit and pretend that I have any interest in being a "know your place" football club in a league dominated by duplicitous, fearful competitors. I hope anyone who can just 'enjoy the day out' can still manage to derive enjoyment from a non-competitive club, but I can't.

Suggestion appears to be that Harris is being primed to be the next President from 2024 onwards. Trump and his supporters seem to be making noise about this but I've noticed that the more sane media circles are doing the same thing. I don't really know much about her but having looked through some of her policies I think they could do worse. Certainly looks like an upgrade on Biden himself, anyway.

Why is an Everton fan trying to troll us Everton are just as irrelevant as we are. Pipe the fuck down.

Fair on all counts. I think perhaps I've given it slack because I think the overall message concerning mental health was important if a bit crudely done in places, but I can see where you're coming from.

What did it lack that you thought it needed? I enjoyed it but it wasn't a typical film in many ways and I could see why it would switch some people off.

Completely agree. I doubt we've even paid for scouts to be out there at all given what's gone on.

Wait, it's £2.5m a year? Not like a weekly budget as per FM? £2.5m a year!? They're fucked. Their only advantage at that level was the ability to pay past everyone else.