Rayvin

How are you still banned?

@@adios @@Tom Only 10 quid and well worth picking up.

Serious question mate cos I'm struggling to pin this, where do you place yourself politically? Are you liberal in the true sense (not the regressive left) or right wing?

While I disagree on TFA being a good film, I fully agree on your rogue one comments. I really did enjoy it

Republican all the way. See no point in them, despise the notion surrounding royalty and consider them to be an anachronism.

All that said, if he committed the act then the minimum is 5 games. He was stupid to risk it.

Why hasn't someone censored the fuckwit yet?

That said, it's not like our own society and leaders are immune to such vices, based on what we've seen.

Identity politics deals in privilege and privilege is stackable. White privilege trumps hair privilege. He was always going to come off worse there.

Bet he's wishing he hadn't ruled himself out of the England job now...

Palace and Swansea after Mitro for £15m. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/dec/22/crystal-palace-roger-marti-mitrovic

:lol: That's a fucking fantastic statement.

They could justify it though. £90/week with a relegation release clause. So he's there for 5 months, that's about £2m. If they stay up they get PL finances again and will probably release some less useful squad players. If they go down then sure, they've lost £2m, but they're also certain to get rid of him for about what they paid. EDIT - They might be able to get him in on loan as well. Possibly even with City paying half his wages or something.

It was always coming. 3 days before Christmas though.... fucking ouch.

I definitely think they're trying to spin it that he's capitalising there but I don't think for a second that he is. I think the pissed off and disaffected youth chose Corbyn rather than him setting out to appeal to them. He embodied an anti-establishment viewpoint that wasn't racist, and so people flocked to him. He's done very little, IMO, to build on that sentiment. Although they are now beginning to talk about doing so. And yes, he's not playing the game with the MSM which harms his chances with anyone who doesn't dig deeper to understand what people are saying outside of media framing (i.e., unfortunately, most people). Ultimately this will be his undoing unless they really get something impressive going on the anti-establishment front. They won't though.

They proposed nationalising railways and heavy infrastructure spending. Both of which I consider to be left leaning concepts. That's just off the top of my head, there are likely to be others. Ultimately my concern is as an economic progressive more than a social or political one.

Sunderland would pay him that and they're crying out for strength in midfield. And desperate.

I think it moved leftwards, and that the PLP acknowledged this with their putting forward of Owen Smith.

I also still don't think I was wrong to vote for Corbyn. It was necessary and the fallout across the political spectrum in 2016 has made me content that I did the right thing.

Fwiw, I think it's important to be able to consider all angles I'm not going to just blindly stick to my view if things change or additional details come out. I'm interested in developing my understanding as fully as possible and I don't think changing a view as new facts come forward means I lack conviction As much as the internet would certainly have me believe otherwise.

Agreed.

Yeah, not gonna disagree with that. Look, he's not great; I think even I'd accept that at this point. I still feel he was necessary though, and that he has moved Labour in a direction it needed to go. If any of the others had won I suspect I'd be complaining about how out of touch and ineffective they are at present. Who knows though.

Can you at least see where he's trying to position himself though? To be fair to him, his resistance to being portrayed as 'wanting to stay in the EU' appears to be because he knew how toxic that would look to vast swathes of people. That said, if he wanted out he should have just come out and said it. That would have been the way to maximize his credibility with the working class.

Ah, banned for speaking the truth. Sounds about right.