Rayvin

I don't think it's healthy to have minimum expectations on anything to do with this club...

Likely, given that the highest remunerated director (presumaby Charnely) is on £106k pa. Compared to the divisional average of around £1m+

Embrace it now guys, it'll make it easier when it happens...

I say this all the time but honestly, even Labour seem to have given up defending themselves on this. It's like the debate has moved on now and everyone has just 'agreed' that this ridiculous retelling of history that we have from the Tories is the way it was. As you say, millions of idiots.

If we were going to get him either way, it may as well be now.

You're right - but darkest before the dawn and all that. The club will come back from all of this one day.

Ashley will be feeling the heat here, which is about the only consolation I can take from this. His strategy is about to be proven as an utter failure. We were right all along, not that it means anything. If he doesn't sack Carver, who has now lost the dressing room and likely the respect of most of the players, then we're down. Carver was the worst decision he's made this season. Possibly the worst he's made at this club altogether. I would have said Kinnear was, but Kinnear didn't lose 8 games in a row.

That headline is bang on though.

I'm amazed that he isn't gone. He's lost 8 games in a row, the dressing room, all confidence from the fans and any self-respect he might have had. Why is he still here? The truth is, even he won't think that we can get out of this with him at the helm. He'll now know he's a terrible manager. Why is he doing this to us?

I hate this football club.

"I've told Williamson not to play long balls, but he just keeps doing it" Grade A manager material, right there.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/30/newcastle-united-steve-mcclaren-derby-county- Carver apparently went down to Derby to lose 4-0 to McClaren and 'definitely not talk about the job' that he's still 'in pole position for', the walking pillock of a man... Not even intelligent enough to work out that he's being stitched up.

I'm still enjoying that nickname.

So, my point is that we're going to be cutting it sufficiently fine that the optimism is neither here nor there. This campaign has been an utter embarrassment and I expect exactly the same next year (following on from the same last year), which means that I'm relatively indifferent about the exact point in time Ashley finally manages to relegate us through incompetence. This year we've been as bad as I've ever seen us, so why not. Just to clarify - this is not a scenario that is worrying me. I have only thinly veiled contempt now.

Your optimism is admirable. But it doesn't change the fact that Carver is capable of relegating us, and given more time, almost certainly would. Over a full season, we would be down. I actually think if there were another 10 games to run we'd be down. We may well get away with this, but it'll only be because there were insufficient games remaining for the other teams. Not because we're better.

That just sounds gross...

The Guardian has reported the same figures, mind. In truth, I didn't think that there were any standout winners in that. I'm certainly not convinced that Cameron is someone I want to be running the country for another 5 years though. EDIT - although I remain unconvinced by Miliband too, even if his party is less evil than the Tories, in a general sense.

But actually, it puts him in a really strong position - the SNP can't effect any damaging influence and the Tories can be used whenever they're actually useful.

For me, the deficit was lower than it was during the previous Tory government up until the 2008 crisis. They were behaving responsibly, they were spending in line with what they could afford, but it's become an impossible position to argue sadly. Miliband has stated that the banks should have been better regulated, but I'm personally not convinced that the Tories would have been doing anything differently. Labour were very unfortunate to be holding the torch when the crisis hit, the Tories would have been obliterated for generations without it.

I suspect this: Ed Miliband says we are not going to do a deal or have a coalition with the SNP or give into the SNP’s demands on Trident or the deficit. But he did not rule out a vote by vote arrangement which could see the SNP keeping a minority Labour government on the road. Trident could get through on the votes of Tory MPs as could deeper cuts than the SNP want in a Labour budget.

That was a good moment for Ed, on there SNP there.

Ah I'm sorry, you're one of these deluded people who thinks that a global economic collapse led by the US is something that can be legislated for? I'm curious as to how the Tories would have handled it, I really am. I notice they've not said much on that front. Ever.

Fair enough - it's Radar now though apparently, not CT.

...r-really? You think that was a compelling political performance?

That is actually quite crass, but I expect all politicians would do stuff like that sadly.