Renton

I think Renton could help you out there Chris. 132261[/snapback] Actually I don't mind him really, and he was a bit of a legend. Talks shite though.

What does that even mean? And what relevance does it have to the situation? It's got to a stage where Oliver looks like he's trying to out-do himself every day. "What can I say today that'll be even more ridiculous than what I said yesterday?" Him and Taylor27 should get together. 132257[/snapback] Brilliant isn't he. He's like a spoilt kid lashing out at anyone who won't let his mate Freddy get his way. "Yeah, well....you.....you got Sunderland relegated! Ha! What are you gonna say now Wilkypoopants?" No consideration given to the fact that all Wilkinson is doing is saying "Hey lads. There are rules. We set them a while ago. And if it's not too much trouble to you lot up there in Geordieland, we'd like you to stick to them." 132260[/snapback] Agreed. I'm utterly sick of some of the crettins associated with our club. Shepherd, Oliver, Beresford and now Twaddle. Then there's half the pundits on the BBC etc.

That's what I was thinking. Maybe he's trying to ingratiate himself back in. Another Shepherd puppet, just what we need.

What a glowing endorsement. Fuck off you mullet haired mackem twat.

Exactly. Shepherd, and quite possibly (probably) his lack of desire for a long term manager because of his fixation with Shearer. He doesn't want someone to come along and try to build a dynasty or someone with anything even vaguely resembling a long term plan (which is what any manager worth his salt will want to do) because it interferes with his plans for appointing Shearer. 132227[/snapback] maybe he [correctly] isn't convinced by the merits of winning the joke league and being good in front of a camera, or his committment to the job because of his wifes health ? 132240[/snapback] Maybe he offered O'Neill the job and he turned us down. 132246[/snapback] Much more plausible. The question is why. Not Shepherd's reputation by any chance?

Exactly. Shepherd, and quite possibly (probably) his lack of desire for a long term manager because of his fixation with Shearer. He doesn't want someone to come along and try to build a dynasty or someone with anything even vaguely resembling a long term plan (which is what any manager worth his salt will want to do) because it interferes with his plans for appointing Shearer. 132227[/snapback] maybe he [correctly] isn't convinced by the merits of winning the joke league and being good in front of a camera, or his committment to the job because of his wifes health ? 132240[/snapback] I can see you're not convinced by O'Neill (I am mind), but what about other managers? Surely, as you say, the fifth biggest club in the premiership (or the 8th in the world if you believe Shepherd) needs a better manager than Roeder? Take a step back, we are talking about GLENN ROEDER! I'll tell you one thing though. If O'Neill does head to Sunderland as part of this consortium I predict they will be more successful than us in the space of 5 years. You are fond of reminding us how cyclical football can be.

Cheeky twats.

Now that England is out the way, what is stopping us getting O'Neill? Shepherd himself is the only plausible explanation.

I don't know about Roeder. I'll support him though. Redknapp is a spiv cunt. 132212[/snapback] Used car salesman 132213[/snapback] Someone on that West Ham board described Roeder as looking like Kevin the gerbil.

You are presuming things which may not be true. The only thing we know is that the board decided on appointing Roeder and have been refused dispensation for him not completeing his required badges. That is all. We could bring Dalglish back if you want a CV manager ? He is better qualified than almost all of the current candidates, and certainly has a CV in the same level as Hitzfeld and Hiddink, having won the big trophies. At the moment nobody knows. What will you say if Roeder goes somewhere else and is successful ? You will complain that we didn't give more thought to the potential of someone who finished 7th in the league with a crappy little selling club like West Ham, rather than focus on the fact the next season the man almost almost died. And - believe me. We are far from being a joke, this is nothing other than a figment of your imaginations. The vast majority of other clubs fans would swap places with us anytime and have the last decade we have had. I am not happy with keeping the seat warm for Shearer, but we have been down the other route as detailed above, and you have criticised it, so why are you so desperate to insist we MUST stay on this route ? 132209[/snapback] When we criticised Souness, Leazes, we looked at all the clubs he managed, which he left a mess, apart from Rangers. Why do you not recognise the poor job he did at Gillingham and Watford? How about the fact he has been sacked from all his appointments, and been involved in two relegations? The fact he has presided over many more losses than wins, at all levels? It's not often managers can improve dramatically. Yes, I want another "CV" manager, at any cost. The fact that Dalglish failed does not mean another inevitably will.

I think there is evidence a lot of managers simply won't work for Shepherd, rightly or wrongly. He does himself no favours in the press either.

Well, obviously trophy winning managers don't work at our club. Let's try someone who has achieved fuck all instead. Incidentally, I notice Leazes doesn't mention Gillingham or Watford, where he hardly shined. In fact, iirc he got Watford relegated. Funny also how he used the poor managerial CV of Souness to condemn him before he kicked a ball (ars imo), but refuses to do the same for Roeder because he comes across as a nice bloke, and anyway, that would be criticising Shepherd. 132167[/snapback] learn to read posts properly Renton ! I clearly say the truth about Roeder is somewhere in between the two goalposts. Although the fact that here we have a board that won't make him sell players to pay for a ground or keep the club solvent, as the shit board we did in the past did, will obviously be more of a help than a hindrance. That post is obviously and deservedly aimed at those who make more u turns than driving instructors. Anyway, have a look at this, which I posted out of sheer curiosity, as I'm as undecided as anybody http://boards.rivals.net/default.asp?sid=8...toid=2122955402 132197[/snapback] This quote stands out and is the impression I have of the man: I think we have to recognise his CV doesn't bear scrutiny. I can see nothing but another wasted year with him. Hope I'm wrong.

I don't think he's lying. They've told him that there is no such thing as a top-up or refresher. If you don't complete it you have to start again. Even the brain tumour argument wouldn't work there. 132193[/snapback] I see, fair enough.

Another wierd thing. I could have sworn Roeder said he was only one day away from completing the course a few weeks ago. Why the need to lie?

That news is a bit like finding out you've won a tenner on the lottery after you've been diagnosed with cancer. Sorry, it is good news, I'm just so pissed off with the manager situation.

It takes a year apparently.

Well, obviously trophy winning managers don't work at our club. Let's try someone who has achieved fuck all instead. Incidentally, I notice Leazes doesn't mention Gillingham or Watford, where he hardly shined. In fact, iirc he got Watford relegated. Funny also how he used the poor managerial CV of Souness to condemn him before he kicked a ball (ars imo), but refuses to do the same for Roeder because he comes across as a nice bloke, and anyway, that would be criticising Shepherd. 132167[/snapback] My problem in all this isn't so much the appointment of Roeder. It's the way we're having to go about it, and the nagging feeling that it's all just a prelude to the Alan Shearer Show. It's definitely been a missed opportunity but I don't buy all this business about how Roeder's a crap manager. 132171[/snapback] Not crap, just average. Don't be fooled by his short reign as care taker. As has been pointed out many times, how many other premiership clubs would hire him as manager? The Shearer thing also is beginning to concern me. Of course, if true, this is entirely Shepherd's fault.

Well, obviously trophy winning managers don't work at our club. Let's try someone who has achieved fuck all instead. Incidentally, I notice Leazes doesn't mention Gillingham or Watford, where he hardly shined. In fact, iirc he got Watford relegated. Funny also how he used the poor managerial CV of Souness to condemn him before he kicked a ball (ars imo), but refuses to do the same for Roeder because he comes across as a nice bloke, and anyway, that would be criticising Shepherd.

Because if I were chairman of a rival club, I'd rather see Fat Fred get his wish and install a Geordie dream team than actually appoint a proven manager. 131964[/snapback] And who is going to want to come? Roeder may be the best viable option under the circumstances. 131968[/snapback] Cheapest 132120[/snapback] Funnily enough, I was thinking along similar lines. 132126[/snapback] Cheapest in the short run. Likely to be very expensive in the longer term - the cost of failure. Still, an improvement on Souness - who was expensive in both the short and longer term. 132128[/snapback] A long term plan eh? Care to explain this new-fangled thinking? 132134[/snapback] Step one: Buy Alan Shearer Step two: Alan Shearer retires Step three: Make Alan Shearer manager. Step four: Rename club to "Alan Shearer United" 132136[/snapback] It's like Little Britain. Shearer writes the feme toon, sings the feme toon. 132141[/snapback]

Sorry, what does that online poll, which incidentally is linked to the SMB and God knows what else, prove? When Oliver claimed 90% of the fans were backing Roeder, he didn't state which fans, did he? So Leazes, are you happy with this fiasco?

Because if I were chairman of a rival club, I'd rather see Fat Fred get his wish and install a Geordie dream team than actually appoint a proven manager. 131964[/snapback] And who is going to want to come? Roeder may be the best viable option under the circumstances. 131968[/snapback] Cheapest 132120[/snapback] Funnily enough, I was thinking along similar lines. 132126[/snapback] Cheapest in the short run. Likely to be very expensive in the longer term - the cost of failure. Still, an improvement on Souness - who was expensive in both the short and longer term.

What an absolute shambles. Our chairman couldn't organise a piss up in a proverbial brewery, the useless sack of shit.

Sounds like our style. 131599[/snapback] Was still up this morning. Since when did you need planning permission for such a temporary "structure"? ALmost certainly a bitter mackem involved somewhere.

I know, I meant that you can't form a winning team without first, erm, winning. Still, not like NUFC to be 20 years behind the times.

Wasn't Liverpool's famous boot room first formed after a long period of winning trophies under Shankley?