Renton

and guess what................................................... he had alot sof seating space on public transport 88603[/snapback] Aye, he had a rucksack, a beard and he was Asian. No problem getting a seat on the tube 88605[/snapback] Seriously, would you sit next to a muslim with a ruckpack on the tube? I'd think twice. However, in his case I'd probably be consoled by the turban and guess he was sikh anyway. 88621[/snapback] He didn't have a turban. 88625[/snapback] Well he wasn't much of a sikh then - they are forbidden to take them off in public aren't they?

It's true you become more obstinate with age I see......

and guess what................................................... he had alot sof seating space on public transport 88603[/snapback] Aye, he had a rucksack, a beard and he was Asian. No problem getting a seat on the tube 88605[/snapback] Seriously, would you sit next to a muslim with a ruckpack on the tube? I'd think twice. However, in his case I'd probably be consoled by the turban and guess he was sikh anyway.

Exactly. Why are they that bothered anyway, why do they feel so insecure. If they are so safe in the knowledge I'm going to hell as an infidel, surely they'll have the last laugh? There's something particularly deep-rooted about the intolerance associated with islam imo. What other faith issues fatwahs on a regular basis? 88588[/snapback] Your right renton - it IS insecurity - they feel they are threatened physically by the Yanks, the Israelis and the Russkis an dmorally by the whole western culture thing (the French have a similar problem with the USA here) 88602[/snapback] That's complete bollocks like, and it leads to another problem with Islam, this feeling of brotherhood that transcends state boundaries. Another throw back to the middle ages, and completely incompatible with the modern world. Even remotely comparing it to the slight antipathy the French feel towards the US (which I partly share) is probably the most stupid thing you have ever said I'm afraid.

Exactly. Why are they that bothered anyway, why do they feel so insecure. If they are so safe in the knowledge I'm going to hell as an infidel, surely they'll have the last laugh? There's something particularly deep-rooted about the intolerance associated with islam imo. What other faith issues fatwahs on a regular basis?

I know what you're saying and I've heard this argument before, but does it really work like that? Are Jews more tolerant than Christians? Are Muslims more tolerant than Sikhs, etc.? 88576[/snapback] I think islam is a particularly intolerant religion, and just as importantly it is completely joyless. It is also sexist and I think Rob is right, it belongs in the middle ages at best. I read somewhere that if you are a proper muslim, you can't play or even watch football ffs. Similarly, chess is forbidden. I mean chess! Jesus wept! (no pun intended)

Err, no. I'd rather you were man enough to admit you were wrong. You said they were killed instantly, and in all probability, they weren't, as they weren't subjected to a force powerful enough to do this. You were wrong, end of story.

Does that mean that if it's illegal you should read it? These double negatives hurt my brain. I'd like to see them before I made my mind up. Has anyone got a link to them? 88549[/snapback] I think this is one of them http://www.uriasposten.net/pics/JP-011005-...ed-Westerga.jpg 88557[/snapback] Hmm, not funny, but only because it's not funny. If they can't tolerate that then in my opinion we shouldn't tolerate them. Ffs. That wasn't meant as an islamophobic comment but imo freedom of speech should mean that jokes like that should be allowed against any religion. It just seems that muslims are too easily offended. Even my mother, a staunch catholic, laughed at the life of Brian. Somehow I think there'd be uproar if someone dared to do a muslim version.

There was no reason for them to have been killed before impact Rob, do you want categorical scientific proof for everything? That's not how life works. Jesus H tap dancing christ on a bike while weeping! Just admit you're wrong for a change.

Does that mean that if it's illegal you should read it? These double negatives hurt my brain. I'd like to see them before I made my mind up. Has anyone got a link to them?

It didn't add much, but it did emphasise how safety was compromised by the pressure to launch and the promise of a billion dollar contract to the manufacturer's of the solid-fuel rockets. Of course, with you knowing everything, it was obviously superfluous to your needs..... Oh, and it did mention the crew weren't killed instantly but likely died due to the impact in the Ocean - did I meantion that?

Well they were made unconscious by the cabin depressurising (probably). They were killed when they hit the Ocean at 200 mph. Just to be clear.

Quite interesting if a bit long winded. Rob, the program has clearly stated that the astronauts didn't die instantly. It is OK to admit you are wrong occasionally you know.

Fucking hell, that must have been awful! Was this the flight? Tell you what, this thread is going to really put me off flying even more soon.

Don't worry - if the plane crashing doesn't kill you then the DVT's will Question! Do you get any more leg room on a ridiculously long-haul flight? 86804[/snapback] I always have on scheduled air lines, but not charters. I'm sure flying to Oz you will have considerably more room mind.

Rob's on the ropes, bleeding and nearly out. Btw, I'm canny at M/S flight sim 2002, can I be a super aeroplane nerd too?

I understand that the pilots last words in most accidents is "Ah SHIT!" - 86536[/snapback] Avoiding the actual question I see. 86538[/snapback] 4 seconds is a very short time...... most people would agree that if you've got to die 4 seconds of pain is about as good as its likely to get 86576[/snapback] Four seconds will feel a lot longer when something horrific is occurring - surviving witnesses often state this. In any case, read the other comments, it could have been minutes if they are to be believed.

Aye, cos NASA are going to officially admit that they were still alive after the explosion... It was the same mole who exposed the fact that he told them if you launch the shuttle with the temperature so low, it'll blow up who stated he'd seen the medical readings which proved that some of them were still alive for a period afterwards... Seeing as he was right about the low temperatures fucking up the O-rings in the SRB, I believe him over you Rob... 86558[/snapback] There was a documentary on this just a week or two back. It said the crew survived the expolsion as the cockpit is designed to break away after an accident. Think the impact of the 'pod' hitting the sea killed them (I'm guessing if it had something like emergency parachutes they were too badly damaged to deploy). 86564[/snapback] Fucking hell!

If the capsule survived maybe it was still transmitting vital signs for a period?

My brothe was once electrocuted in the shower because the stupid plumber put a nail straight through the power cable. Fortunately, the fuse blew immediately. I've been a bit scared of electric showers since....

So the list of things you're scared of so far is: Planes Coconuts Mice that emerge from video recorders. Owt else? 86539[/snapback] Showers. 86541[/snapback] Forgot about them, the griftin little get! 86543[/snapback] Fuck off, we shower the same amount, just at different times! Just because I don't suffer from night sweating and bed wetting like you....

Statistically you're more likely to die in the waiting lounge 86529[/snapback] I used to say that statistically you are more likely to die from a coconut falling on your head. But then when I was sunbathing in St Lucia last year, a coconut fell from a tree and missed my head by about 6 inches. Judging by the weight of it, I reckon a direct hit could have killed me! Now I'm scared of coconuts as well.

This thread has really freaked me out actually, even though I contributed to a lot of it. No wonder I really hate flying, I'm always scared the worst will happen. So ignore everything I have said. In the impossible event of a plane crash, you will not be aware of what is happening. At all. There, that's better.

Have you any hard EVIDENCE they do? Thought not, therefore they don't.