Renton

Yep, depends on the altitude, but you would be conscious for some time (even in Space you are), and what's more you would have a good chance of regaining consiousness as you reached lower altitudes falling to Earth.... Besides, many planes on short-haul don't fly that high. Don't forget you can survive for hours on the summit of Everest without oxygen (28000 foot up). I'm sorry, but most people who die in plane crashes suffer unimaginable psychological trauma as they wait to die. Good job it's so rare! 86476[/snapback] No evidence for psychological trauma that I've seen - pehaps you can enlighten us with a source? And those who get to the top of Everest have walked there over a month - not shot up from Woolsington in 10 minutes. Even on short flights within the UK they go up to ++ 30,000 ft 86481[/snapback] What type of evidence of psychological trauma do you want man? Looks of horror plastered on the faces of the deceased? Of course unless death is instant people are going to be psycholgically traumatised - I was shook up by an explosion on the ground once! If you are faced with the possibility the plane is going to crash you will shit your pants literally. As for domestic flights, I got a flight to Dublin recently which cruised at 18000 feet and another to Bristol which levelled out at 24000. 86485[/snapback] I suggest you use an airline that uses something a bit more modern than a DC-3 TBH At those altitudes you might well meet the RAF 86491[/snapback] Easy jet and Ryan Air, both 737s. If you fly Air lingus from Dublin to New York, the plane will land at Shannon after having achieved an altitude of less than 8000 feet. And that's a 747. As you point out though, turboprops and propeller planes fly at low altitudes routinely, and are more likely to crash than jets, which again detracts from your argument.

Yep, depends on the altitude, but you would be conscious for some time (even in Space you are), and what's more you would have a good chance of regaining consiousness as you reached lower altitudes falling to Earth.... Besides, many planes on short-haul don't fly that high. Don't forget you can survive for hours on the summit of Everest without oxygen (28000 foot up). I'm sorry, but most people who die in plane crashes suffer unimaginable psychological trauma as they wait to die. Good job it's so rare! 86476[/snapback] No evidence for psychological trauma that I've seen - pehaps you can enlighten us with a source? And those who get to the top of Everest have walked there over a month - not shot up from Woolsington in 10 minutes. Even on short flights within the UK they go up to ++ 30,000 ft 86481[/snapback] What type of evidence of psychological trauma do you want man? Looks of horror plastered on the faces of the deceased? Of course unless death is instant people are going to be psycholgically traumatised - I was shook up by an explosion on the ground once! If you are faced with the possibility the plane is going to crash you will shit your pants literally. As for domestic flights, I got a flight to Dublin recently which cruised at 18000 feet and another to Bristol which levelled out at 24000.

Yep, depends on the altitude, but you would be conscious for some time (even in Space you are), and what's more you would have a good chance of regaining consiousness as you reached lower altitudes falling to Earth.... Besides, many planes on short-haul don't fly that high. Don't forget you can survive for hours on the summit of Everest without oxygen (28000 foot up). I'm sorry, but most people who die in plane crashes suffer unimaginable psychological trauma as they wait to die. Good job it's so rare!

And you know this how? Previous life? 86269[/snapback] Buy "Flight" magazine (its weekly) - every 6 months they publish a full list of stats and details of all accidents for every plane that is commercial - easy really or http://www.planecrashinfo.com/cause.htm 86277[/snapback] OK, here's one for you... TWA plane that crashed off Long Island during the '96 Olympics. Brought down simply because the plane had been left on the apron too long with the air conditioning system left on. The aircon system heated the fuel in the centre tank to flash point and a short caused by the shoddy insulation on the wiring loom caused a spark and the fuel exploded. It resulted in a fracture which caused the nose to detatch and the plane literally fly for another half mile without a front section before it stalled and crashed...... You telling me those people felt nowt! 86286[/snapback] aye that was an odd one - it was one of number of ex Iran Air Force 747's that TWA bought - funnily enough the Iranian Air Force had one blow up out of Tehran in the same way And if the nose comes off at 38,000 feet the drop in cabin pressure would cause everyone to pass out immediately - and its also bloody cold as well 86445[/snapback] I'm not sure that depressurisation would cause everyone to pass out immediately tbh - that's what they like you to think. But certainly it is undeniable that many crashes result in prolonged mental or physical suffering. As Ian McEwan wrote in a recent book, one of the things you would be aware of on a plane during a major incident would be the increasingly nauseaous smell of shit as people involuntarily emptied their bowels.....

Greece in May. Although... I aint getting on no plane foo'! 86439[/snapback] How come? Are you sailing there?

And you know this how? Previous life? 86269[/snapback] Buy "Flight" magazine (its weekly) - every 6 months they publish a full list of stats and details of all accidents for every plane that is commercial - easy really or http://www.planecrashinfo.com/cause.htm 86277[/snapback] OK, here's one for you... TWA plane that crashed off Long Island during the '96 Olympics. Brought down simply because the plane had been left on the apron too long with the air conditioning system left on. The aircon system heated the fuel in the centre tank to flash point and a short caused by the shoddy insulation on the wiring loom caused a spark and the fuel exploded. It resulted in a fracture which caused the nose to detatch and the plane literally fly for another half mile without a front section before it stalled and crashed...... You telling me those people felt nowt! 86286[/snapback] I heve heard it verified that when a plane explodes in mid air, many of the passengers will be alive and conscious as they fall to Earth, knowing they are going to die. Then there's burning to death during a crashed landing, etc. In actual fact, they take into account the amount of suffering the person is likely to have felt when compensation claims to relatives are made. In the afore-mentioned 15 minutes upside down horror, the relatives of the dead were paid millions. 86293[/snapback] You don't feel a thing mate. Rob read it in a Dickin's novel 86300[/snapback] Perhaps Rob works for an insurance company. "Mrs Smith, your husband didn't feel a thing, honest. Here's 20 quid. "

And you know this how? Previous life? 86269[/snapback] Buy "Flight" magazine (its weekly) - every 6 months they publish a full list of stats and details of all accidents for every plane that is commercial - easy really or http://www.planecrashinfo.com/cause.htm 86277[/snapback] OK, here's one for you... TWA plane that crashed off Long Island during the '96 Olympics. Brought down simply because the plane had been left on the apron too long with the air conditioning system left on. The aircon system heated the fuel in the centre tank to flash point and a short caused by the shoddy insulation on the wiring loom caused a spark and the fuel exploded. It resulted in a fracture which caused the nose to detatch and the plane literally fly for another half mile without a front section before it stalled and crashed...... You telling me those people felt nowt! 86286[/snapback] I heve heard it verified that when a plane explodes in mid air, many of the passengers will be alive and conscious as they fall to Earth, knowing they are going to die. Then there's burning to death during a crashed landing, etc. In actual fact, they take into account the amount of suffering the person is likely to have felt when compensation claims to relatives are made. In the afore-mentioned 15 minutes upside down horror, the relatives of the dead were paid millions.

There was a plane a few years ago in America that lost a section of it's tail and flew upside down for 15 minutes before eventually crashing and killing all on board. To compound matters, I have heard when the body is stressed like this time goes into slow motion "survival mode" and it would have felt like hours to the victims. Horrendous. 86247[/snapback] Renton, I think you're referring to the plane which crashed over Queens a couple of months after 9/11, which lost its rudder, inverted, stalled and crashed. If you are, then I don't know where you dreamed this 15 minutes thing up, there was a program about it on the Discovery channel the other night and the plane was down within 90 seconds of losing the rudder.... 86258[/snapback] I'm referring to a completely different plane crash a decade before actually.

Car crash isn't gonna get you on the news though, is it? 86256[/snapback] I'd much rather boast about being killed in a plane crash: FACT!

There was a plane a few years ago in America that lost a section of it's tail and flew upside down for 15 minutes before eventually crashing and killing all on board. To compound matters, I have heard when the body is stressed like this time goes into slow motion "survival mode" and it would have felt like hours to the victims. Horrendous.

the plane tho has 1, 2 or 3 more engines any of which will kepp you up and of course they also glide pretty well........................... 86097[/snapback] I saw this documentary about near disasters, which had this plane running out of fuel mid-Atlantic (there was a fuel leak, and the pilots accidentally diverted all the fuel to the leak...). The plane (some type of Airbus) had no power at all - I didn't realise that the electrics, hydraulics, etc were dependent on the engines turning. So basically it turned into a huge aluminium glider with minimal controls (there was some auxillary power supplied to the airelons via some type of wind generator, but that was it). It managed to glide over 50 miles to a safe, but very scary, landing in the Azores. The aircraft had no functioning flaps, rudder or brakes, and managed to stop just short of a sheer cliff drop at the foot of the runway. Very close thing....

Not sure I follow. It's a fact you're more likely to drive on the way to the airport than on the flight itself (especially in some foreign countries), but that doesn't help people who have developed phobias much, unfortunately, no matter how much you tell yourself it. 86035[/snapback] I don't think I'd ever drive on the flight myself tbh Anyway, the point I'm making is that if you're in a car crash, you're statistically more likely to survive than if you were in a plane crash. 86037[/snapback] FFS, make one typo on this place and you get crucified! I agree you're more likely to survive a car crash, but obviously you're much, much more likely to have one.

Strange. I've flown direct from Corfu to Newcastle direct in a 757 before. Apart from an emergency evacuation once, my most fightening experience on a plane was when I was flying back from America, about 1 am local time, the 31st September, 1997. The pilot announced "he had some terrible news for us". Already being a nervous flyer, I nearly shit my pants, convinced he was going to say that an engine had blown and we weren't going to make it to land or something (I was well aware we were in the mid-Atlantic). Thankfully, he went on to say "there's been a terrible car crash in Paris, and Dodi Fayed is dead and Dianna is critically injured". There was an audible sigh of relief from everyone on board. By the time we landed at Manchester, Dianna was declared dead. Later on I found out the match against Liverpool was cancelled. 86025[/snapback] Another example of the gross overreaction to that bint's death tbh. 86031[/snapback] Renton is Billy Liar man. There's only 30 days in September. This is just his way of feeling like he played a part in the whole Diana story - like people who have 9/11 stories and that. 86033[/snapback] August the 31st then. It's a true story as it happens, not really worth making up.

Not sure I follow. It's a fact you're more likely to drive on the way to the airport than on the flight itself (especially in some foreign countries), but that doesn't help people who have developed phobias much, unfortunately, no matter how much you tell yourself it.

Strange. I've flown direct from Corfu to Newcastle direct in a 757 before. Apart from an emergency evacuation once, my most fightening experience on a plane was when I was flying back from America, about 1 am local time, the 31st September, 1997. The pilot announced "he had some terrible news for us". Already being a nervous flyer, I nearly shit my pants, convinced he was going to say that an engine had blown and we weren't going to make it to land or something (I was well aware we were in the mid-Atlantic). Thankfully, he went on to say "there's been a terrible car crash in Paris, and Dodi Fayed is dead and Dianna is critically injured". There was an audible sigh of relief from everyone on board. By the time we landed at Manchester, Dianna was declared dead. Later on I found out the match against Liverpool was cancelled.

I can't stand inconsiderate twats that recline their seats fully for the entire flight, unfortunately I seem to get one every single fucking flight! You can't recline on Easy jet or Ryan Air which I think makes them much more comfortable. Unless the airline are providing you with plenty of leg space this should be the norm - especially long haul. One of my most uncomfortable flights was with Brittania coming back from St Lucia last year. For some reason the condensation (formed from people's expirations and sweat ) kept on congregating in a "pool" above my head and dripped on me like Chinese water torture. The attendants couldn't stop it and there was nowhere else to move. Plus they ran out of alcohol and food before I got served. I was going stir crazy after 12 hours of this, and have resolved never to fly long haul again with a charter company.

Ketsbaia's mobile, Souness's P45 etc......

If you 'ignore' someone does that mean you cant see their posts? Thought it just blocked PM'S?????? Or have I been quadruple whooshed here? 84242[/snapback] It ignores original posts, not PMs. However, it doesn't ignore quoted posts!

Good, I'm on AF's list, so the flouncy southern cunt won't be able to read this.

AF, I have a solution. Why don't you put EVERYONE on your ignore list? You won't have to read us bullying you any more - sorted.

Jesus wept tbh 83911[/snapback] The best candidate by a mile, as evidenced by the landslide victory in the voting. What followed was an albeit brief spell of the message board equivalent of Johan Cruyff's vision - Total Modding. Sublime. 83916[/snapback] Christ on a bike, thank god I missed that!

It depends on his mood really, Cheyne's a surf dude, Blaydon's a candi-raver (?) who used to write for the Chronicle despite never leaving Sydney, Adidas is a staunch fan of Churchill (to fool Li3nZ into thinking it wasn't him ). He was rumoured to have registered as Lord_Lucan but that was never proved. 83883[/snapback] The time where he claimed to have been living in and posting from Newcastle was class tbh. Bettered only by the time when he was exposed voting for himself as most knowledgeable poster and backing himself up in various arguments under different pseudonyms. Watergate cant hold a candle to Blaydon tbh. 83887[/snapback] Really? I had some decent arguments with Blaydon - it never occurred to me other posters backing up his "facts" might have been him himself.

.......heres another one now, like! Who did you post as formerly? 83864[/snapback] Me = Gibbon to be fair I didnt / dont post often, more of a voyeur 83867[/snapback] I think luckypierre is a much better poster than Gibbon tbh. Must be the company you keep. 83873[/snapback] Im just a bit more polite on here so I can get into a clique 83878[/snapback] Join the queue. I must have been on here for months and I've barely got my foot in the clique door.

.......heres another one now, like! Who did you post as formerly? 83864[/snapback] Me = Gibbon to be fair I didnt / dont post often, more of a voyeur 83867[/snapback] I think luckypierre is a much better poster than Gibbon tbh. Must be the company you keep.

Renton finally achieves misery nirvana 83793[/snapback] Clever, implying I'm happy because the team I support has been reduced to total shit. Are you happy with the situation then Wez? 83801[/snapback] Does that make SBTP Hove Avenger? 83850[/snapback] Aye, I think so. Btw it wasn't a hissy fit, alright you bastids? 83852[/snapback] I never said it was, thundercunt! Need a sticky to keep up with these past and present usernames tbh. V. confusing. 83853[/snapback] I still don't know who Smooth Operator, Happy Face and Wacky Jnr are 83858[/snapback] S-O and Whacky are new to this board I think, I think Happyface has been around a while but I'm not sure what he was called before. Who the fuck are you btw?