Renton

So you can't think of a time I was wrong and didn't admit it then? 73903[/snapback] As Manc-mag once said, it's difficult to be wrong when you don't actually say anything meaningful .....

For the umpteenth time: I said that Souness needed time to prove himself one way or the other. He's used that time to prove that he isn't good enough. Which doesn't make me wrong because he still needed that time to prove his inadequacy in his role as manager of Newcastle United (not Liverpool, Blackburn, or any other club he may have been at in the past). It was simply the true, 100% correct statement that "A new manager needs time to prove himself" that makes me RIGHT and not WRONG. FACTARAMA. 73891[/snapback] Gemmill, you were wrong because you thought he was the man for the job when he came here. That is all I am saying, just admit you were wrong on that aspect and I will never bring it up again.

The irony tbh 73856[/snapback] The predictability tbh. If you want to point out where I have been wrong, and I agree, I will be only to happy to admit it. 73858[/snapback] It was a general comment, I can supply an example from yesterday if you like. 73862[/snapback] Feel free, but don't bother if it is opinion..... Btw, I may be as bad as Gemmill in this regard, but you are the true king of never admitting you are wrong! 73868[/snapback] That's bollocks mate, I'm willing to admit when I was wrong. The bit yesterday I'm referring to is saying you'd prefer it if we didn't need a player of Parker's TYPE before changing your mind by claiming he wasn't good enough to be a player in a top side (can't be both I'm afraid ). Incidentally, feel free to point out where I've been wrong without admitting it, but don't bother if it's opinion 73879[/snapback] OK, I was wrong about that, in a pedantic kind of way. Not quite on the same magnitude of Gemmill's wrongness about Souness however.

Not nice to call Gemmill an idiot like.

Sorry, I hated him at Blackburn, I believe that makes me Soopa. Of course Leazes hated him at Liverpool, which makes him GREAT. 73880[/snapback] I hated him as a player at Boro.

The irony tbh 73856[/snapback] The predictability tbh. If you want to point out where I have been wrong, and I agree, I will be only to happy to admit it. 73858[/snapback] It was a general comment, I can supply an example from yesterday if you like. 73862[/snapback] Feel free, but don't bother if it is opinion..... Btw, I may be as bad as Gemmill in this regard, but you are the true king of never admitting you are wrong!

The irony tbh 73856[/snapback] The predictability tbh. If you want to point out where I have been wrong, and I agree, I will be only to happy to admit it.

So just to clarify; in saying the following: "So what's your stance now Gemmill, out of interest? Are you finally going to admit you were wrong in your assertion that Souness should be given a minimum of 2 years to prove himself, regardless of results and performances on the field, and his PR off it? Can we finally expect an "I was wrong" Gemmill exclusive?" you were in no way whatsoever interested in petty point scoring? 73850[/snapback] Oh whatever. Maybe it is points scoring, but you seem to be incapable of admitting you were wrong. Ever fancied a career as a lawyer or politician?

No Renton, if you took a second to read things instead of your favourite pastime of putting words into people's mouths you would realise that I'm saying managers need time, as Robson did. Of course you need the right manager which Souness isn't. That's the third time I've wrote that as it clearly isn't getting through to you 73845[/snapback] It was really aimed at NJS, who was implying to me at least that the early NUFC careers of Souness and Robson were somehow comparable, which I strongly disagree with. If I am wrong about this comparison I apologise, though frankly in that case I don't know why it's being discussed.

On that basis Bobby would have been sacked early in 3 of the next 4 seasons. In the league in 99/00 and 00/01 we were dross - just as bad if not worse than last/this year. I also don't agree that the squad he took over was as bad as is being implied. (I agree on the cup) 73842[/snapback] I think our two foreign correspondents (Bombadil and Isegrim) are spot on on this one, I think that you too NJS also know the difference. Also, nobody has even talked about the relative managerial CVs of Robson and Souness - they don't really compare. Personally, I am willing to give a manager more time if he has had previous success. And Robson to me had proven he was world class.

Going by that reckoning Ferguson would have been sacked by Man Utd early in his career, Morinho just likes to heap pressure on his rivals in my opinion. If he doesn't win the Champions League with Chelsea this season or next (which I'm sure is what Abramovich wants) then no doubt he'll be saying he wants time. Regarding Souness, I'm not saying give him more time as he was never the right man for the job, rather that he hasn't had time in my view. 73791[/snapback] the best 2 managers at Newcastle in recent times, Keegan and Robson. From the start, they brought an obvious improvement and came across as knowing what they were doing 73808[/snapback] So I imagined 18 months of utter shite (disguised by a cup run) under Bobby? There was no further sign of any improvement until Bellamy/Robert signed (see I can give praise to those two when rightful) 73822[/snapback] Quite correct tbh. 73827[/snapback] Aye, sure it is. We had 1 point from 7 under Gullit, and we were about to lose arguably our greatest player ever and our best midfielder of recent times, and were in real danger of relegation. The improvement in form was immediate and amazing imo, and we were very unlucky not to win the cup that year, as anyone who was at Wembley will know (with Villa waiting for us in the final). You seriously want to compare that situation with Souness's do you?

So what's your stance now Gemmill, out of interest? Are you finally going to admit you were wrong in your assertion that Souness should be given a minimum of 2 years to prove himself, regardless of results and performances on the field, and his PR off it? Can we finally expect an "I was wrong" Gemmill exclusive? 73771[/snapback] Nope. I think that's about how long a manager needs tbh. I've decided a bit early though that I've seen enough and that he clearly doesn't have what it takes. Just not as early as the day he arrived at the club, which was as much time as you were prepared to afford him. 73782[/snapback] If Shepherd appoints Peter Reid, how much time would you afford him? 73790[/snapback] The man who engineered Sunderland's demise? Job for life tbh. 73793[/snapback] You know what I'm getting at, being facetious changes nothing. For the record Gemmill, I would have given Souness time despite his appalling pedigree, but practically from day one the man showed what an idiot he is. You just can't accept that I was right about him and you were wrong. 73805[/snapback] Being facetious as in asking silly questions about Peter Reid you mean? I said that once the bloke is appointed he needs time to prove himself. You called for his head from the minute he was appointed, and before he'd even been in charge of a game. Sorry, but I think I'm sounding like the more level-headed one here tbh. I dread to think what will happen if we appoint another manager you don't like the look of. Ok, he's proven that he isn't good enough (using the time that I said he deserved - that's all I said btw, no matter how much you want to make out that I painted him as our messiah). That doesn't make you right and me wrong. 73820[/snapback] Actually, I never "called for his head" straight away as you put it, I think I was probably in favour of him being sacked after Christmas, during the Bellamy fiasco, which imo showed his complete lack of man-management skills to go along with his belief that tactics don't matter etc, etc, etc..... The point is I predicted what a disaster he would be, and you didn't. Whilst you never said he would be the next messiah, I do recall you saying he would be good for us - which has patently been proven wrong. Look, believe it or not, I'm not interested in petty points scoring now; I just think it would be nice if for once out of your 10000 odd posts on this and other similar message boards you could hold up your hands and say you were wrong about Souness, that's all. And for the record, if we do appoint someone I don't approve of, I'll stick my head out and say it. There's a big difference between that and calling for his head before he's played a game though.

So what's your stance now Gemmill, out of interest? Are you finally going to admit you were wrong in your assertion that Souness should be given a minimum of 2 years to prove himself, regardless of results and performances on the field, and his PR off it? Can we finally expect an "I was wrong" Gemmill exclusive? 73771[/snapback] Nope. I think that's about how long a manager needs tbh. I've decided a bit early though that I've seen enough and that he clearly doesn't have what it takes. Just not as early as the day he arrived at the club, which was as much time as you were prepared to afford him. 73782[/snapback] If Shepherd appoints Peter Reid, how much time would you afford him? 73790[/snapback] The man who engineered Sunderland's demise? Job for life tbh. 73793[/snapback] You know what I'm getting at, being facetious changes nothing. For the record Gemmill, I would have given Souness time despite his appalling pedigree, but practically from day one the man showed what an idiot he is. You just can't accept that I was right about him and you were wrong.

Going by that reckoning Ferguson would have been sacked by Man Utd early in his career, Morinho just likes to heap pressure on his rivals in my opinion. If he doesn't win the Champions League with Chelsea this season or next (which I'm sure is what Abramovich wants) then no doubt he'll be saying he wants time. Regarding Souness, I'm not saying give him more time as he was never the right man for the job, rather that he hasn't had time in my view. 73791[/snapback] Didn't ManU come 2nd in the league in the first year Ferguson was in charge, a massive improvement? I don't think anyone is saying you have to win things straight away, but you should reasonably expect the club doesn't go into a nosedive, especially when you are given £50M to spend.....

So what's your stance now Gemmill, out of interest? Are you finally going to admit you were wrong in your assertion that Souness should be given a minimum of 2 years to prove himself, regardless of results and performances on the field, and his PR off it? Can we finally expect an "I was wrong" Gemmill exclusive? 73771[/snapback] Nope. I think that's about how long a manager needs tbh. I've decided a bit early though that I've seen enough and that he clearly doesn't have what it takes. Just not as early as the day he arrived at the club, which was as much time as you were prepared to afford him. 73782[/snapback] If Shepherd appoints Peter Reid, how much time would you afford him?

Exactly. We should be looking for the best candidate regardless of nationality. We got Souness in the first place because we were only going to appoint someone British. 73772[/snapback] Agree that nationality should be irrelevant, however, I'm somewhat less convinced that Shepherd insists the manager has to be British anyway. This seems to be based largely around his idiotic "geordie" comments - however, SHepherd is always spouting shit I suspect he doesn't necessarily really agree with. 73774[/snapback] What non-British managers were approached/considered last time then? 73777[/snapback] Who knows, does anyone really know what happened? And even if there were no European managers approached, does it prove anything? Were any top class European managers available then (I can't remember tbh). Maybe even Shepherd will learn from his mistakes, I really hope he does this time - surely it is his last chance to get it right.

Exactly. We should be looking for the best candidate regardless of nationality. We got Souness in the first place because we were only going to appoint someone British. 73772[/snapback] Agree that nationality should be irrelevant, however, I'm somewhat less convinced that Shepherd insists the manager has to be British anyway. This seems to be based largely around his idiotic "geordie" comments - however, SHepherd is always spouting shit I suspect he doesn't necessarily really agree with.

So what's your stance now Gemmill, out of interest? Are you finally going to admit you were wrong in your assertion that Souness should be given a minimum of 2 years to prove himself, regardless of results and performances on the field, and his PR off it? Can we finally expect an "I was wrong" Gemmill exclusive?

I never even realised we pronounced film differently until I went to univorsity (sic). All mancs talk dead camp though but I always knew that 70312[/snapback] It's not that you pronounce it differently-you actually manage to completely fail to pronounce it at all. Which for a one syllable word is spectacularly fucking thick tbh! 70317[/snapback] This coming from a manc of all people!

I sometimes take my nephews to the kids club at the UCI. It's OK apart from the constant background noise of some snotty nosed kid crying and the slight smell of piss.

The films there are either pretentious shite or re-releases of films shown in main-stream cinemas yonks ago tbh. Plus it's a rip off price-wise. At least this money should help sort out the apalling sound quality, the freezing temperature and the general discomfort I suppose, although reading that it strikes me they're going to blow the lot on the frigging decor! How about a good cause getting some money for a change, like the Live Theatre?

Fucking hell, all this time I assumed you had to fucking swear.

That's three quarters of the posts gone then.

What do you mean? Are you talking about N-O or here? 70182[/snapback] N-O, you numpty 70187[/snapback] Haven't been on it for weeks man! 70190[/snapback] It's worth a look just for the new message tbh. Then, when you go to post you get a full list of the guidelines. A tad OTT methinks. 70191[/snapback] Just tried to post but have forgotten my password. Do the guidelines say anything about deleting shit posts - it would make the forum much more compact.

What do you mean? Are you talking about N-O or here? 70182[/snapback] N-O, you numpty 70187[/snapback] Haven't been on it for weeks man!