Renton

Related: Isn't the point of HS2 to take cars off roads? Anyway, sound like he's done a Truss with a disastrous round of interviews with local BBC journalists, who are much better than their centralised counterparts. Maybe he isn't the genius he thinks he is.

It was a fucking joke Mr Spreadsheet.

They'll park the bus and we really struggle against teams who do this. I fear the worst. 4-0

Near t'Leeds?

The list of people they absolutely detest either because of connections to us or some perceived slight of Sunderland is incredible. Apparently Don Goodman has just joined the most hated ranks, apparently for not acknowledging them enough tonight?! Alan Shearer, Jason Tindell, Darren Bent, Jimmy Nail, Sam Fender, Stephen Taylor, Jordan Henderson, Sting, Dawn Thewlis, Ant and/or Dec, Joey Barton, Callum Wilson, Eddie Howe, Brendan Foster, Kevin Keegan, Jimmy Hill..... We hates you!!! We hates you forever!!!!

It's the elite establishment trying to stop us, mannnn...

If I was Dawn Thewlis I'd be asking for police protection. Their obsession with her is worrying, fucking tapped.

Howay man, he's nothing like Klopp. We've beaten Man City with Laacelles and fucking Drummet as centre backs. Somebody wake me up for work please.

I fucking bet you're wearing a cardigan right now.

Get in!

Agreed. We've been nowhere near as bad as has been made out. Bunch of fannies on here tbh.

Sure thing oil baron bro.

I'm not sneering man, I'm not having digs. And you're absolutely right about my flip flopping, I do this all the time, not just about politics, but also football and more generally emotionally tbh. It's been a shit decade on a personal and broader level. I'll be slagging Starmer and co off again next week no doubt, then I'll calm down, Sunak/Braverman/anytorycunt will say something which incenses me, and back to the start we go. NUFC were coming second after Villa match and not top 10 after BHA. Etc. I Think I've always been consistent in that I will vote for the least worst option though, and that points only one way at the moment. Love you too, take care, let's just somehow hope the future is better. 💓

Complete strawman. I never said mine was a stone cold fact, although at least I offered some precedence. When Blair was elected in '97, very little was done in the first term but they became more progressive the longer they were in power and actually forced the tories to embrace more economic and social liberalism under Cameron. Leave the tories in power and things only go one way though. If that's not worth considering or discussing, fair enough.

More hypotheticals, convoluted reasoning. A balanced parliament (apparently we're not supposed to say "hung" anymore) would suit me fine from the PR perspective. I would enjoy complete tory annihilation more though, watch that grin come off Rees Mogg's smug face. It would be a good sign for the health of this country and its sanity. I alos know Starmer's biography, I know about Phillipson, I know the background to a lot of the Labour front bench. I actually am not as cynical about you and believe that these people want to do good, just as much as Corbyn did. I'm willing to give them a chance.

Well, for what its worth with my limited contact these days with party members and inferences I can take from political media, thisis exactly their plan. You certainly cannot guarantee it isn't. It's what happened last time they were in power too where they did a lot of good in the later parliaments. We are where we are. You can speculate all you like about hypothetical future policies, but I am sure every person on this board is in agreement they will be better than we currently have, NOW.

Sorry, you've lost me, how does it move us further away? Genuinely don't understand, you think the tories winning will lead us closer compared with Labour? I doubt this personally.

Posted this on the general blather thread, it's Evertons, those lucky scousers. Just struck me it looks a latter day ZX spectrum loading screen.

I think Labour will not commit to anything or advertise many new policies until the GE is announced and the manifesto is out. Maybe judge them then. Any policy they release now, the tory's either get their MSM hench men on the case or they just steal - see Phillipson's childcare plans as a recent example. There will definitely be a closer relationship with the EU and harmonisation of standards under Labour, steps in the right direction and more importantly a change in narrative. Talk of being an assoicate member is music to my ears. This may well eventually end up with us rejoining in a couple of decades or so. The EU have zero interest in us rejoining currently though and their focus will be on Eastern Europe, you can't blame them. The alternative that you would allow for by default is much, much worse. I think in politics their are two types of people. Idealists/people with conviction and realists/pragmatists. I became the latter in my early 20s. It's way more productive. You seem stuck on being the former. That's fair enough, but can be counterproductive.

Holy Joseph on a Jeep. What the fuck is this? All in the name of equality.

Really? Who the fuck thought that? Just a freak game, these things happen. The worst part of it though was I think it impacted on our confidence and future results. Hopefully that is dispelled now though.

There's nothing wrong with voting against something, maximising the chances the tories are voted out of power or even (hopefully) obliterated. Get rid of them and then the constant pull to the right might be tempered. They'll either position themselves more centrally or become more extreme and become an irrelevance. Insinuations that Streeting is anywhere near the same leval as Sunak or Braverman are frankly insulting. The tories will have us out the ECHR if they won another election. Let that sink in what it would do to the the World and our children for generations. You should fight against that. Your choice. though.

It's giving me an idea for a game, 'Nufc ticket purchase simulator". Available on Apple Store and Google Play, free, in app purchases for those who nab a ticket (well we need to monetise it). Have we any programmers up for this?

You might be right, might be wrong. It'll be better than the tories though. And wth characters like Foot and Corbyn, that's the only other option given the demographics of this country, FTP and the media control. Just for the record and for clarity, of course I would have preferred Corbyn and McDonald to ANY tory cunt and they got my vote in 2017 and 2019. They could never command a national majority vote though, is that noy obvious? Benn couldn't claim they never had the chance, they did. My biggest disappointment in Starmer though is he won't support PR so we are all represented.

Bit of an odd comment. I don't think any of my neighbours even like football. If you read back, you'll see it was my nephew I referred to, I assumed your response then had autocorrected. He did get tickets in each of the first three draws, that's just a fact. I dunno what that tells you - he's a concession so the club aren't even getting the full whack for the seat. I took him to his first match at SJP as it happens - 6-0 against Villa under Hughton. Wasn't enough to keep his interest though until this takeover mind.