Renton

He forgot "Pincher by name, Pincher by nature" had allegations of miconduct upheld about him? Aye, right. Meanwhile look at the chip of this from Bone:

He's on the hotline to Kyiv again. What a cunt this man is, he's so transparent. Makes Cummings look decent.

Is this near the end now for Johnson?

More Sunderland friends.

Won't someone spare a thought for poor Pincher?

Doesn't say a lot for our eduction system. Braverman is another complete thickie.

My favourite "Guilty is a very loaded term".

Fabricunt portraying Pincher as the victim there on R4. Drunken groping perfectly normal in parliament apparently, something to do with the long hours MPs do.

I think Scotland would stay in the Union and the SNP would be history if we somehow got PR in, and then made moves to the SM. Won't happen will it? Realistically I know I've no choice where I live but to vote Labour, but even a Labour victory doesn't look very appealing now. Another decade of decline, falling living standards, and a hard border 50 miles North of Newcastle.

Well it clearly is partly his fault. Enabling a hard Brexit isn't a good look. He needs real ideas to stop the dissolution of the Union, we've got zip so far.

I'm really not. Not one person has even bothered to say what this means for Scotland. I'm calling back up @Rayvin @spongebob toonpants.

Funny, just watching the news there and people were saying this anyway, they don't trust Starmers U turn and won't vote for him. He's managed to piss off just about everyone except this board.

And btw, Starmer's plan is completely illiterate too, more cakeism. Shows he is clearly clueless or just good old fashioned lying. So I'm sick of this too.

See that's what I think he's done anyway. Why does the appeasement always go one way, to appease the ones that got us into this mess in the first place. To take away the voice of the young, Scotland, the membership, and the working man (most people in employment voted remain)? I think you're all making out Brexit to be a bigger isssue than it is, The LD huge victories in very Brexity areas shows this. But really what you're saying is Labour have to run scared of the Murdoch press rather than take them on. I've personally never been convinced they have that much power and its diminishing now, as is Johnsons personal appeal. But I'm not saying I want Starmer to say he'd take us into into the SM. I'm just not happy he's closed the door on it entirely, because that's exactly what he's done. He didn't have to, and he has alienated a large proportion of his voters, many of whom will not vote for him now. I also now think that he should come up with some real policies on constitutional reform, and meean them. Bin FPTP, get PR, and let's talk about full devolution of the regions. As I said in my first post today, I am sick of voting anything but tory, I want to vote positively for something for the fist time since Blair. I feel Starmer is letting me down.

The referendum wasn't on SM/FoM though, was it? Many Brexiters promised we would stay in. Who do you think said this? Honestly, the biggest problem is people are just bored of it [Brexit] now. So don't highlight it as an issue, but ffs, don't completely limit your options in power either and alienate half your voter base, the ones that have been loyal to you. The biggest issue, by far, in the next 2 years will be the cost of living crisis. Which of course is made worse by Brexit, and people are waking up to this.

Damn I love being right.

I mean. come on, look at the state of this. How are we letting Johnson get away with "getting Brexit done" when he's going to break international law to renege on his own deal? There is so much ammo against the tories its unreal.

I don't want to reverse it. But I do want to be in the SM and have FoM. And I believe most people now do. You don't have to make a big deal about it, and I fully accept it take upwards of 10 years. You have to start somewhere though. Oh, and Labour has been getting their strategies wrong for over a decade now. This is an absolute boon for the SNP, which nobody seems to want to talk about.

Look at this man. Can someone explain to me why supporting an obviously failing Brexit is a vote winner? Is it all just fear of the written media? Who the fuck even reads a paper nowadays anyway? And yeah, I know I probably come across as contrary now, but I'm just sick of the bull shit and lies.

It's clearly a manifesto commitment and is irreversible for at least another parliament. What are your opinions on what this will do for Scotland btw? Seeing Labour complicit in breaking two unions is canny stomach churning tbh. All because they are scared of Murdoch.

But I'm saying why rule it out completely? Because I think in 7 years time things might well be different. Demographics will shift in favour of the young. Tangible problems with Brexit will persist, like queues at airports. Economy will be demonstrably down the shitter compared with EU (assuming Ukaraine war ends some time). Most people will want rejoin but we won't be able to because both parties are now Brexit parties. How does this make sense? Btw, nothing from the LDs there saying they wouldn't rejoin SM? ANd why not, it's what Farage and Hannon promised.

Naah, people vote with their pocket in the main, which are going to be very empty. This is the perfect time for Starmer to bebrave but he's bottling it.

Bloackfor just now, is anybody going to argue he's wrong?

Why though? Every poll I've seen says people recognise the damage Brexit is doing, by quite a large majority. Support for rejoining is supposed to be 80% in the under 34s I think I read. Liberal Dems, by far the most pro-EU party have won land slide victories in solid tory seats. Why can't they fight and win the argument? Is Brexit really a vote winner? But lets think about the negatives of this policy. Will it actually appease the gammons? No, I don't think it will, the Mail will not change their Labour narrative. Will it alienate younger working voters? Yes, it will. Will it alienate the Scottish? Yes, it will definitely aid the call for independence, and with it 60 seats that once were mainly Labour. Does it do anthing for NI? No, the DUP won't take their seats in governement with this (but aye, fuck them anyway I guess). So on reflection, I don't think Starmer needed to do this and think it is a strategic mistake.