Howaythetoon

Quite simple really. Winning football, whatever form it comes in.

He once played in the Premiership, which is a whole lot different to managing in the Premiership. Lets give Vinnie Jones a call, after all, he has no club management experience, but being a big shot movie star now, he has the profile... utter bollocks. Profile for what? Why does a manager need a profile to manage Newcastle? In management, Klinsman hasn't acheived anything compared to Big Sam. What the two achieved in their careers as footballers means fuck all in relation to management. I dismiss that as an irrelevance. The fact you dismiss managerial achievements though says a lot, it is no wonder you want the club to appoint anyone when you dismis such important stuff as meaning nothing. Lets give it to Zippy, he'll keep the mongs entertained and in Bungle, George and Jeffry, that could be some backroom team there. Agreed, but you can't influence Freddy Shepherd to go foreign when he is so stuck on British/Geordie is best first. Never gonna change, it is even pointless discussing foreign managers while he's in control of the club. Why not? Lets see now, well our finances mean money could well be tight so we need someone who can work on a limited budget, someone who knows the markets if you like. Klinsman hasn't bought or sold a player yet, but hey, what the fuck, he has a big profile. You can't be serious... This is a critical period in the club's history, we can't afford to gamble. Don't get me wrong, I'm not adverse to thinking outside the box, but there is a time and a place to do that and looking at all the issues and concerns at United right now, this just isn't the time or place to be so brave because there is a hell of a lot to lose, more ground on the top 6 for one, bums on seats, our finances are a mess, clubs like Bolton and Reading are finishing above us, Spurs, Villa and even the mackems are looking good for the future. To go out and appoint a manager with no club experience, never mind Premiership experience (management) and ask that man to overhaul every single area of the club, deliver top 6 football and good cup runs, entertain the fans, buy and sell well and maybe, just maybe, win a trophy, is bordering on madness because there is nothing concrete to suggest he could, just hope and some daft stuff about profile or whatever. At least with Big Sam you know he can overhaul every aspect of a club and can consistently deliver high league finishes which he has done for Bolton pretty much since their first season back in the Premiership. 8, 6, 8 and another top 8 finish this season most likely. All this on a transfer budget of zero and at a small club like Bolton who can't even fill their stadium. You can't blame the club for wondering now what could he do here at Newcastle can you and you can't really not see logic behind this move, if indeed he does join us. For once this would be a common sense appointment based on sound logic and good reason, an appointment not to appease fans with sexy football, or to rid the club of ill discipline, but to cover all the areas in which the club needs to sort out and recover in, while being able enough to finish in the top 6 and manage on what will be a reduced budget due to the financial mess we are in. You go ahead and appoint Klinsman and after a year of Gullit like football, don't fucking whinge because he wasn't what you hoped. It isn't about that now, it's about what WE NEED. The club, not us. I want great football, and all that crap, but what the club needs is far more important - a complete overhaul and there is only one man available who has shown he can do that. Aye, he's no Klinsman like I'm holding you to every single word in that post a year from now, seeing as you seem to think it's such a shoe-in. The man you paint is a positive footballing Superman, with infinite abilities. He has managed Bolton, so what? If you're so desperate for a proven manager at the highest level why not approach Strachan, or anyone who has done something even close to managing a club the size of NUFC. Bolton is a small town club where Fat Sam was king of the castle. At NUFC there are hundreds of cooks to spoil the broth, and in a few months time, his achievements will mean jack shit. Christ had you been in charge we would never have ended up with Keegan, lest you forget the circumstances of his appointment. Your post positively oozes mediocrity and lack of ambition. You even cite the MACKEMS *spit* as an example, forgetting they took a gamble and appointed an untried manager, when arguably if it had gone wrong they would have disappeared forever. For every experienced manager you name I can name one that has completely fucked up a different job after years of sterling service at a different club. There is NOTHING to risk from trying something for a year and it not working and parting ways, every bastard year we piss money up the wall so what's the point in pretending it's not going to happen with Fat Sam. You honestly value a dead cert top 8 finish that much? Or do you think he's going to resurrect the expensive talent we have collected? You think Fat Sam could attract Klose to the team? Or Ballack maybe? Well maybe in a few years time. As for achievements, Klinsman has already managed a team in the World Cup, something the man you have just written a page and half about would gladly drop the NUFC job light a lead weight for. Ballack? Klose? Makes every single point you make redundant. That and I can't be arsed. I rate Big Sam, you don't, fair enough, agree to disagree? Wager right here and now though that Big Sam if appointed and giving time and patience (not so much money) will be a success - top 6 consistently - but more importantly, laying the foundations that this club so badly requires at this moment in time, so that in the coming years, when we are in a position to attract the top managers to take us to another level, that man will have all the tools to succeed at that level. Someone on N.O made a great point about how in today's game you just can't go from where we are at into the top four and competing for big prizes over night (especially after the catalogue of mismanagement that has went on at United), it has to happen in stages. Couldn't agree more. There is no easy fix. Unless new owners come in and invest millions into the team and basically do a Chelsea by going out and looking for a top top manager, it is going to take years to turn this club around, years. With that in mind, you'll want to appoint a manager proven in the art of rebuilding a club not someone who could do it which is what you'll be hoping from a Klinsman, but HAS and that man is Sam Allardyce. What his appointment would also mean is an admission by the board that they now accept the club needs a complete overhaul and that in itself is cause for hope and optimism and another major reason why I hope it is indeed SA because he will only join the club if he gets full control and he won't stand for any crap from the Chairman, and I doubt FS would dare interfere either. The impact just that alone could have on our club could be huge man. I would take right here and now 2 more years of mid-table medicority if someone said to me at the end of it all NUFC off the pitch will be bang up to speed and equipped to compete and succeed thereafter. Like under Sir Bobby finishing 11th twice before finishing in the top 5 3 times in succession.... only his world came crashing down because once the money dried up and the entertaining football, there was nowt else in place to fall back on like scouting, the academy, a network of coaches and the rest of the things Big Sam will bring to the club. These things are far more important to me and our future I believe than some fly by night short term success or fancy football and false fucking hope which is what the past 10 years have been all about basically. Just think in those 10 years our club has been overtaken in almost every fashion by Bolton, fucking Bolton. All down to Big Sam!

He once played in the Premiership, which is a whole lot different to managing in the Premiership. Lets give Vinnie Jones a call, after all, he has no club management experience, but being a big shot movie star now, he has the profile... utter bollocks. Profile for what? Why does a manager need a profile to manage Newcastle? In management, Klinsman hasn't acheived anything compared to Big Sam. What the two achieved in their careers as footballers means fuck all in relation to management. I dismiss that as an irrelevance. The fact you dismiss managerial achievements though says a lot, it is no wonder you want the club to appoint anyone when you dismis such important stuff as meaning nothing. Lets give it to Zippy, he'll keep the mongs entertained and in Bungle, George and Jeffry, that could be some backroom team there. Agreed, but you can't influence Freddy Shepherd to go foreign when he is so stuck on British/Geordie is best first. Never gonna change, it is even pointless discussing foreign managers while he's in control of the club. Why not? Lets see now, well our finances mean money could well be tight so we need someone who can work on a limited budget, someone who knows the markets if you like. Klinsman hasn't bought or sold a player yet, but hey, what the fuck, he has a big profile. You can't be serious... This is a critical period in the club's history, we can't afford to gamble. Don't get me wrong, I'm not adverse to thinking outside the box, but there is a time and a place to do that and looking at all the issues and concerns at United right now, this just isn't the time or place to be so brave because there is a hell of a lot to lose, more ground on the top 6 for one, bums on seats, our finances are a mess, clubs like Bolton and Reading are finishing above us, Spurs, Villa and even the mackems are looking good for the future. To go out and appoint a manager with no club experience, never mind Premiership experience (management) and ask that man to overhaul every single area of the club, deliver top 6 football and good cup runs, entertain the fans, buy and sell well and maybe, just maybe, win a trophy, is bordering on madness because there is nothing concrete to suggest he could, just hope and some daft stuff about profile or whatever. At least with Big Sam you know he can overhaul every aspect of a club and can consistently deliver high league finishes which he has done for Bolton pretty much since their first season back in the Premiership. 8, 6, 8 and another top 8 finish this season most likely. All this on a transfer budget of zero and at a small club like Bolton who can't even fill their stadium. You can't blame the club for wondering now what could he do here at Newcastle can you and you can't really not see logic behind this move, if indeed he does join us. For once this would be a common sense appointment based on sound logic and good reason, an appointment not to appease fans with sexy football, or to rid the club of ill discipline, but to cover all the areas in which the club needs to sort out and recover in, while being able enough to finish in the top 6 and manage on what will be a reduced budget due to the financial mess we are in. You go ahead and appoint Klinsman and after a year of Gullit like football, don't fucking whinge because he wasn't what you hoped. It isn't about that now, it's about what WE NEED. The club, not us. I want great football, and all that crap, but what the club needs is far more important - a complete overhaul and there is only one man available who has shown he can do that. Aye, he's no Klinsman like

I welcomed the signings of Faye and Luque Been right about all the manager decisions so far though Faye? What a tool I'm gonna look back. It can't have just been us two and Souness, can it? I wasn't too impressed with his signing but remember sticking up for him a lot, despite knowing deep down he was shite. Did it with Jenas, Souness and even Roeder. Oh, and Luque. Still to this day believe he hasn't had a proper chance at Newcastle mind and that there have been a lot of mitigating factors as to why he's ended up as yet another expensive flop. As far as I'm concerned though, he's less of a flop than Duff and it does peeve me that while one is a foreign money grabbing bastard, the other gets off scott free. For another day though...

I'm probably in a league of my own so have no room to talk, I'm not even gonna embarrass myself at revealing half the stuff I've said in the past, or half my predictions. Still stand by Stead though, being the next Shearer.

I agree and I'd rather we looked around first instead of jumping head first into the most obvious choice but that's never going to happen here at Newcastle so I see little point in complaining about it myself. But some of the comments flying around that are questioning the value of appointing SA seem a tad shallow to me and ignorant, i.e. because they just don't like the man, or worse, because he's not Arsene Wenger. He's no Ottmar I've wanted Big Sam here since Sir Bobby got the sack, or rather I'd have been happy with him as his replacement, and indeed Souness and even more so now. Was never Hitzfeld or no-one for me, even though it no doubt came over like that.

So we're ignoring the whole, 3 separate agents claimed Allardyce likes a bung, thing? 17 transfers are still being investigated as a direct result of these claims. The irony, I wouldn't trust an agent as far as I could throw them, nor would I trust the BBC or any TV show having experienced at first hand the stunts they pull. 3 agents out of hundreds... Notice you avoided the "now why would Big Sam risk his whole career, just to make a bit extra on the side, especially given that he is already a very rich man"? question...

I agree and I'd rather we looked around first instead of jumping head first into the most obvious choice but that's never going to happen here at Newcastle so I see little point in complaining about it myself. But some of the comments flying around that are questioning the value of appointing SA seem a tad shallow to me and ignorant, i.e. because they just don't like the man, or worse, because he's not Arsene Wenger.

May as well add Wenger, Fergie, Mourinho, Benitez, Capello, Ancelotti and Scolari to that list to complete it

I'll tell you what has happened with Big Sam and this bung carry on, the BBC on the back of Mike Newell's comments regarding bungs last year which reawakened the game to this issue, thought "lets expose football's conmen" while the iron is hot. And because Big Sam's son is an agent and the man himself has signed and sold tons of players, from various countries and clubs, they thought they'd find themselves an easy target. I'm in no doubt that all managers bend the rules a little to sign players, you just have to read the books of former managers and players, but I doubt very few actually take a bung on the back of a transfer, not in the modern game and not here in the UK where we don't take kindly to such a culture unlike other nations that have for years allowed such things to go on - I'm talking about Greece, Italy, Brazil, Spain even. I think the whole George Graham thing put an end to even the notion of taking one here in the UK, at the top end of football anyway where the costs are just not worth taking the chance.

Ah, this old chestnut. Big Sam has conducted over 200 transfers in and out since becoming a manager, dealing with many agents, clubs, players and legal people across all four continents, yet despite all this, the best anyone can do is hint about bungs. Surely there is actually some cold hard evidence out there? No there isn't. Now his son, maybe, but then he is an agent. Sam's a rich man, why on earth would he tarnish what has been a fine career to date and his entire future, just to earn a few extra quid on the side? Ask yourself that.

I like Klinsman and think he's a good manager but I don't know why anyone would rather have a manager who has zero management experience at club level over someone who has bags of it. Anyway to answer your questions: He's not a feasible alternative because he's a foreigner and because NUFC simply can't afford to give someone with no club management experience the job. If we did appoint him and he did a Gullit here, I bet you'd be the first to whinge for the club appointing someone who has never managed a club before. BTW Big Sam has acheived a hell of a lot more than Klinsman has as manager. A hell of a lot more. Lastly, what on earth makes you think Klinsman would even give us the time of day never mind say aye to a job offer? Or any other manager come to think of it? Not exactly knocking at the door are they. I don't know why I'm bothering mind, this is the same kid who wouldn't have Mourinho here because he's a bit of a twat.

How to resign.

October?? That pretty much started TODAY on N-O tbh. Aye, and it didn't take you long to join in did it

Same here.

Regardless, not Oliver mistaken fans chanting the name of someone as fans wanting that someone as manager? I mean, wouldn't be the first time would it...

Wonder how many mackems are getting on... When the news first broke, nearly all the texts, e-mails and calls sky were getting were intelligent ones, with most saying FS needs to go too, then as soon as sky started asking for the views of everyone, the daft messages get sent in. No doubt one or two come from wor lot, but some a good number I can't help feeling were sent in by mackems and others on a wind up. Then again, has anyone ever read the chronicle's text messages...??

Good.

I think for once, people are a tad hopeful of the future, don't think anyone is happy though. FFS we will most probably finish with our lowest points total and have just seen another manager fail.

So instead of actually phoning Roeder himself, Ranson phoned Anal instead? BTW is this the same Oliver who whenever Bolton came to Toon or we played them away, done nowt but snipe at him? If BS does get the job, can't see him being as pally with AO as Roeder.

I thought it was shite and was very disappointed by it due to the all star cast. Same here, although I thought Norton's spacka character was funny as fuck

Hendrix

Bracewell anarl Venison Waddle Shackleton

Might not have been war years then, he played in a few friendlies for them though, just assumed it was during the war years. Mind, in them days, the rivalry wasn't so strong or even existed, on a football level that is. Not by much anyway.

Touche