Papa Lazaru

They're both embrassing, moronic pricks who should never be allowed t express another single opinion verbally or in print! But Fat Fred wins in terms of embarassing us to the rest of the country as outside this region nobody is likely to hear much of anything Anal has to say.

You have to give Anal some credit to be fair. Everytime we think the bloke can't be more of an egotistical, dillusional, bullshitting, geordie-obsessed, xenophobic, talentless fuck he proves us wrong! What's worse is there are toon fans out there who believe everything he writes!

I've you've seen the interviews on SSN today you'd know. There was a taxi driver who demanded Keegan and Shearer together. That'd be Keegan who is out of competetive football and looked pretty shot by the end of it and Shearer who hasn't got the badges, is working for the BBS and Umbro and doesn't want the job yet if at all...genius!

I wish i could blame the mackems and you can't rule it out, but deep down we know theres plenty of complete tools that support this club and would say this stuff!

Well cheers Skol, let's take a look at what an improvement people thought Roeder was at the time... http://www.toontastic.net/forum/index.php?...ic=3958&hl= Holy shit!! Sounds VERY similar to what's being said about Allardyce now tbh. Time will tell. Thanks for resorting to insult though. Interesting read Anyway, Leazesmag had editted my post in that thread! Though as Isegrim said it wasn't entirely serious, it was anti Souness so basically anything we thought wrong with him was being attributed right in Roeder's case, including things like not being a prick etc. The difference with Allardyce is the things said about him are based on years of his work at Botlon and everything you hear and read about him and how Bolton are/were run from top to bottom. With Roeder it was based on however many games that thread was after Souness fucked off! As you say time will tell, but for me Allardyce is streets ahead of Roeder and will show this next season, how well he does exactly, who knows. One thing is for sure he'd leave this club in a much more proffesional state than when he found it!

Its a good idea, if only i'd thought of it before them!

No, I've not actually, pretty much because there wasn't really room to include it, I only really touch on the 1990s/200s briefly. Didn't realise the rivalry was that old tbh. Probably just went that far back so he could mention the last time we looked like winning a trophy!

I was thinking that before I knew of the Duff-Mackems link actually. Even though i've been really disappointed with him this season, i was always of the opinion he was worth one more go, even if Roeder et al stayed, with new people he's definitely worth a go IMO.

Don't want us potentially helping that lot out! I'd give him another season, we all know how good a player he has been in the past and could be again, especially as we are changing our manager and coachign team.

Not bothered either way who wins it to be honest. If either team or one of their players annoys me on the night i'll probably want the other team to win!

I don't want big Sam, fuck all to do with the fact he played for the Mackems. What has he ever won? More than Sourmess? Just another mistake going to happen Dalglish, Gullit, and Souness all had won quite a bit before they joined us... They turned out really well...... Whereas Keegan had won nowt!

I hope that your overall conclusion to your dissertation was, "Its the mackems fault" Well done though!

Bitter perhaps? In the same way that everyone slagged Jenas off for being shit when he left yet only a few thought this when he was here. I thought Jenas (deservedly) got a lot of stick during his time here. I think Jenas was getting stick way before he left, and that possibly a majority of fans were doing it before Spurs came in. And i was one of the ones who still rated him for a while, though not towards the end so much!

If you're tired of it then just accept it as its pretty obvious its the case. Anybody who watched the team week in and week out could see all that was wrong with the team and the things that needed sorting. Roeder failed to, plenty of other managers and their teams (including but not exclusive to Allardyce) could and would have done. I'm more than open to people having the opinion that there is better than Big Sam out there, i agree. I'm even willing to listen to people's reasons why they don't want him at all, that's their choice. But anyone who thinks he wouldn't have done better than Roeder is dillusional IMO, there are plenty of managers who would have. It's complete guesswork. A totally different set of players, different club, different expectations and pressures and different distractions. No way can you just slot another manager in and say, yup, would have done better. You can't even get the fans to agree what midfield pairing to play. Its very much educated guesswork, if its anything. Based on my knowledge of all that is wrong with Roeder, his backroom team and what is happening on the pitch and knowledge of the things Allardyce would bring with him, comparing the previous track record of the two managers, i can make a good estimate that Allardyce and his team would have done better. I've never said he would have won the title and taken us into the CL, merely he would have done better than Roeder and i would have bet my life on it. As for midfield i can get practically every fan who watches us to agree on not playign Butt and PArker together, which is all i said, i never mentioned the best pairing. It wasn't the 'you' meaning of 'you' but the other meaning of 'you' Well i'm willing to give it a shot and personally demand the fans agree on a pairing of my choice for the following season, i'll wait and see who we sign first though!

If you're tired of it then just accept it as its pretty obvious its the case. Anybody who watched the team week in and week out could see all that was wrong with the team and the things that needed sorting. Roeder failed to, plenty of other managers and their teams (including but not exclusive to Allardyce) could and would have done. I'm more than open to people having the opinion that there is better than Big Sam out there, i agree. I'm even willing to listen to people's reasons why they don't want him at all, that's their choice. But anyone who thinks he wouldn't have done better than Roeder is dillusional IMO, there are plenty of managers who would have. It's complete guesswork. A totally different set of players, different club, different expectations and pressures and different distractions. No way can you just slot another manager in and say, yup, would have done better. You can't even get the fans to agree what midfield pairing to play. Its very much educated guesswork, if its anything. Based on my knowledge of all that is wrong with Roeder, his backroom team and what is happening on the pitch and knowledge of the things Allardyce would bring with him, comparing the previous track record of the two managers, i can make a good estimate that Allardyce and his team would have done better. I've never said he would have won the title and taken us into the CL, merely he would have done better than Roeder and i would have bet my life on it. As for midfield i can get practically every fan who watches us to agree on not playign Butt and PArker together, which is all i said, i never mentioned the best pairing.

Almost as tiresome as picking up on one tiny aspect of what someone has posted and completely ignoring the point they were actually making, you mean? That was the essence of the post. I am criticising his essence. Of Papa L's? Without wishing to put words into his mouth I'd say it was about how poor Roeder was not how Allardyce would be better. Feel free to, as you seem to have managed the simple task of reading my post and seeing that "the essence" of it was criticising Roeder and saying other managers (of which Big Sam is one) could and would have done better. But then it wasn't a hard post for people to understand really was it!

If you're tired of it then just accept it as its pretty obvious its the case. Anybody who watched the team week in and week out could see all that was wrong with the team and the things that needed sorting. Roeder failed to, plenty of other managers and their teams (including but not exclusive to Allardyce) could and would have done. I'm more than open to people having the opinion that there is better than Big Sam out there, i agree. I'm even willing to listen to people's reasons why they don't want him at all, that's their choice. But anyone who thinks he wouldn't have done better than Roeder is dillusional IMO, there are plenty of managers who would have.

I'm usually one of the people most likely to allow a manager the excuse of injuries and say that its a valid reason as to why they struggled. BUt quite simply there is an overiding factor this season that people defending Roeder are ignoring: And that is the unmitigated shower of shite that practically every other team who faced us at St. James was and how even with all the injuries Roeder had more than enough at his disposal to have won these games, and yet through his inept tactics, lack of motivation, coaching, ideas and ability to have a plan B or even just make basic substitutions he pissed away points against teams that aren't fit to call themsleves football teams! And that is at home, under Roeder away from home we might as well have just waved a white flag at the start of all bar a handful of games in the prem, much like under Souness. Obviously with just Owen alone not being injured we would have finished higher, Owen's goals kept Souness in a job by hiding quite how shite he was for a brief spell. But that can't excuse the truly woeful football i watched Roeder's team churn out. Dull, lacking in any creativity or vision, disorganised and clueless, lacking passion or fight and throwin away game after game against some of the worst teams i've ever witnessed at St. James. And Roeder had a major fault in all shite managers, he made mistakes and despite it being clear for all they were mistakes he kept repeating them, again just like Souness. Parker and Butt in the centre at home is useless, we all know it, its glaringly obvious, yet time and again this idiot would pick them and we'd create fuck all at home. There are plenty of other examples of him repeating errors as well. Allardyce and many other managers would have done better with the players we had available, helped by being backed up by better backroom teams they would have brought with them. I mean FFS a manager who was Roeder's clone but with the basic addition of understanding substituitons would have made big improvements and thats one little thing!

Nouvelle (sp?) cuisine i think! Basically a way to make money out of pretentious morons back int he 80's or whenever it became big. Shouldn't still be around now!

I hardly ever see it, but sometimes the football can be canny, however the goalkeeping is without fail absolutely shocking!

We should try and get him to be part of the St. James backroom staff, who knows he may be able to turn our players into world beaters, or hex the opposition!!!

Its Anal at his best isn't it, and worryingly its what Fat Fred believes as well!!! How about we try the outrageous idea of bringing a coach in on the basis that they're a good coach, i know thats revolutionary stuff up here but i'm willing to give it a try! Or we could stick to the current method of picking coaches where you have to fill one of the following criteria: 1. You're a geordie 2. You've played for the club and/or understand the club/area/fans 3. You're Terry Mac 4. You've shown no talent or apptitude whatsoever for coaching

My favourite is the star wars death pit one. That was class! I'd like to see them post it just randomly without people knowing the idea of the thread and see if they could get away without everybody noticing what it was!

Though you wonder how they happened upon the original pic for that! Great thread!

Considering their track record, that's not the news we want to be hearing. Until we see a definite "Roeder sacked" with accompanying images appear on your screen it hasn't happened! Alright Neil? You recovered from last night then? I was fine today i'm pleased to say. I don't seem to be getting hangovers that much after nights out recently! You fall down the stairs again? Happilly i didn't! I should have sued the Trent for damages after that, another bloke had already slipped and fell before i did so they should have done something about it! And since it was a few mins after i arrived they couldn't blame drink for my fall, i could have had them!