jaythesouthernmag

I deal with facts. Mad Jock has not and will not respond to my factual replies. mancmag and Renton are self proclaimed smart lads who STILL can't see who is responsible for dragging out these threads. The FACTS are people wanted the Halls and Shepherd replaced, not because they looked into a crystal ball and saw clubs like Blackburn and Bolton being taken over by rich benefactors, and for some strange reason construed that as meaning NUFC had to become a selling club again, but because they thought anybody else would be better and do better than the people who built the club up from nothing. The FACTS are that this has proved not to be the case at all, and the current owner will NEVER match, never mind better, the league positions of the previous regime, and has actually taken us into a decline where we are seen as a selling club again like we were for 3 decades prior to 1992, our ex competitors now see us as no competition to them. Again. We aren't talking about an odd blip here, like finishing 12th with the worst strikeforce in the premiership having sold our top striker, or having a couple of good results in October against Arsenal and the mackems etc, we are talking about sowing the seeds of longer term decline. Time will tell, unfortunately. As Kevin Keegan said, the best day for NUFC supporters will be the day that Mike Ashley sells the club. Unless they disagree with Kevin Keegan...... What you constantly fail to acknowledge is that the premier league has change immensely and a top 4 finish would require a massive investment, which of course is a gamble. City have spent a fortune and didn't manage it in the first season. No other club could afford to do what they have done Would you prefer Ashley to spend a hundred mil, put the club in debt to maybe finish in the top 6??? did you say this was why you wanted rid of Fat Fred 4-5 years ago ? Yes or no. If not, bugger off and stop moving the goalposts. I've repeatedly said, that Man City and Chelsea are a different propostion anyway. Read the threads. Why do the likes of Birmingham and Bolton being bought by rich benefactors suddenly mean NUFC have to become a selling club again ? Give your head a shake. You scaremongers and brainwashed fools are a hoot man. Eveybody is in debt, would you prefer the club to save the money up first or spend a profit of 2m quid a season [if they manage to make 2m a season] on new players ? How far would that go Maybe 10 years ago during the first few years of Bobby Robsons time as manager, "Shepherd" should have done it the Mike Ashley way and sold Shearer and Rob Lee to balance the books instead of finding the cash for Bellamy and Robert to get into the Champions League ? So when exactly is soopa doopa saviour Mike Ashley going to better than the hopeless Fred ? That's 4 years now, and not even a top ten finish yet. So you don't answer the question again, I will ask it once more. Would you want Ashley to spend 100 mil or so to try and break into the top 4 or 5?? Bearing in mind the club would be saddled with a massive debt. As for being a selling club, yeah 35 mil for a striker with half a prem season behind him wasn't good business?? If you don't think so you are dafter than I thought If any of our players want to leave and go to a top 5 club the best Ashley can do is to ensure we get the best price and money is available for a replacement. I've never said Ashley is a soopa doopa saviour and he certainly doesn't have the resources to compete with City,Chelsea and Man U. Players will also find Liverpool more appealing due to their history,like it or not. Arsenal and Spurs being in London have that as an advantage too. What Fred/Halls etc did was pay over the odds and massive,unsustainable wages to attract players,some not all, just before you start. What Ashley is doing is trying to run the club within its means and make it financially stable, which for now is a good thing. Finishing 12th in our first season back is an achievement but needs to be improved on Now don't get me wrong if an Arab with billions to spend wants to buy the club and do a CITY then I or I guess most on here will be happy but until then it is what it is. Is a financially stable club a bad thing?

I deal with facts. Mad Jock has not and will not respond to my factual replies. mancmag and Renton are self proclaimed smart lads who STILL can't see who is responsible for dragging out these threads. The FACTS are people wanted the Halls and Shepherd replaced, not because they looked into a crystal ball and saw clubs like Blackburn and Bolton being taken over by rich benefactors, and for some strange reason construed that as meaning NUFC had to become a selling club again, but because they thought anybody else would be better and do better than the people who built the club up from nothing. The FACTS are that this has proved not to be the case at all, and the current owner will NEVER match, never mind better, the league positions of the previous regime, and has actually taken us into a decline where we are seen as a selling club again like we were for 3 decades prior to 1992, our ex competitors now see us as no competition to them. Again. We aren't talking about an odd blip here, like finishing 12th with the worst strikeforce in the premiership having sold our top striker, or having a couple of good results in October against Arsenal and the mackems etc, we are talking about sowing the seeds of longer term decline. Time will tell, unfortunately. As Kevin Keegan said, the best day for NUFC supporters will be the day that Mike Ashley sells the club. Unless they disagree with Kevin Keegan...... What you constantly fail to acknowledge is that the premier league has change immensely and a top 4 finish would require a massive investment, which of course is a gamble. City have spent a fortune and didn't manage it in the first season. No other club could afford to do what they have done Would you prefer Ashley to spend a hundred mil, put the club in debt to maybe finish in the top 6???

He's 35 now, got 12 goals in 36 games so not exactly on fire. Not a chance anyway

And you are like the old,miserable uncle that everyone avoids and wants to ruin Christmas by telling the kids Santa doesn't exist

I don't agree with everything he says but he's a lot better than the depressing fuckers like LM

PS we WERE a step up from Blackburn We are more likely to sell Enrique, Barton or Tiotte and replace them with another Perch, RTaylor or Campbell. At least you got Krul right, because he's a flapper. Yyyyaaaaaaawwwwnnnnn!!!!!!!!! ah, more innocence of youth The ramblings of a sad old fuck living in the past, blah,blah,blah

PS we WERE a step up from Blackburn We are more likely to sell Enrique, Barton or Tiotte and replace them with another Perch, RTaylor or Campbell. At least you got Krul right, because he's a flapper. Yyyyaaaaaaawwwwnnnnn!!!!!!!!!

I would go for Santa Cruz and push the boat out for Sturridge, if not maybe a loan. City are gonna sign more strikers and they also have 3 on loan so Santa Cruz ain't going back and we are a step up from Blackburn. Hang onto Jose,Barton and Nolan and cover for Tiote plus flog Smith,R Taylor,Perch and release Campbell to free up wages. All that will cost less than 20m net. I can't see Chelsea having Sturridge as a starting striker with Torres, Roman is gonna want another big name Maybe have enough left to sign Foster and fuck Krul off for a mil too

Dont be silly man, it was one of the best bits of business in years. Even you know who said so. change the fucking record man Bit rich coming from you

If he could stay upright and wasn't so lazy he would be ok but he cant and he is so maybe as back up, that's it. We need 2 strikers then either Best/Shola/Lovenkrands needs flogging. I would hang onto Ranger providing we get 2 decent strikers in

he'll be number 1 striker in August He is now. Although I thought he looked decent when he dropped deep yesterday. thats what I meant mate, he'll still be number 1 in August. Sad. CT and a few others will be pleased we aren't going to waste any money on good footballers though Fuck me you are one boring,tedious fuck. Change the record

No but then again why was Alex being, #1 marked half arsed at the back post resulting in basically a free header #2 being marked by Danny Simpson who is shite in the air and half Alex's size... maybe Krul went for it thinking "it's better than nothing" as for "harper making less mistakes"..wise up, it was a month ago when he decided to turn into beckenbauer and lost the ball, he's had plenty of spills. Even if they make the same amount or are currently of a similar standard Krul will improve...Harper won't, so why not let the lad improve. Let him improve somewhere else, his mistakes could be costly next season. We need a reliable,experienced keeper

Can't see Ashley paying the English player premium. He could get much better abroad for £4m - £6m. True but if we can get a decent price off Celtic for Forster then maybe. Foster has been class for Brum and has prem experience. I'm not convinced by Krul

I know its not a priority but if Brum go then I'd have Foster if he's cheap enough

I'm sure he will

Aaahhh, those Wednesday morning games, real killer them

Was quality again today, we can hope the love of the fans and a new deal will be enough, hope a few decent signings may help

aye you're right, it's not like he's just made the senior holland squad...oh hang on he has. Wise up he's done well enough today, consistent games he'll be grand, and def a better option than harper. He's no Given yet like. So fucking what, Boothroyd made the England squad, u want him?? Apologies i forgot you're a bit thick. anyway looking at the squad and Krul, him being #1 keeper is far from our biggest worry. I never said it was u knob but I don't think he's good enough, Harper will be first choice anyway and either Krul or Forster will be off. Just cos he got a call up doesn't make him Van Der Sar

aye you're right, it's not like he's just made the senior holland squad...oh hang on he has. Wise up he's done well enough today, consistent games he'll be grand, and def a better option than harper. He's no Given yet like. So fucking what, Boothroyd made the England squad, u want him??

Krul isn't good enough, simple as.

I want Joey to smash Lampard

Ferguson doing well, Jonas looks ok going forward. Would bring Ranger on and take Lovenkrands off with Jonas pushing wide. Is Lua Lua on the bench??

Why can't you see the difference between where people want us be based on our stature and in an ideal world versus where they think finishing in the real world given the fact that we have an arsehole owner and limited resources compared with the teams above is reasonable? arsehole owner = correct limited resources [because of the arsehole owner] = correct compared to the teams above us = rubbish Which is the entire point. Which brings us back to square one. Given that he won't invest his money, where will it come from? Please don't say something about maximum revenues - as I've said before even if we suddenly made £50m profit a year which we never came within a million miles of doing in the past it would still take investment at that level for about 5 years before we'd be where we all want to be. That's why the realists among us think talking as if we are going there is pointless. He won't answer that as his pre prepared copy and paste answers don't fit the question

Ali Dai aka George Wea's cousin and his brief Southampton career under Souness

I would have Taylor ahead of Williamson but I can think of quite a few I would buy to start ahead of Taylor