Big TRon

I don't know if Parky's on drugs, but if he isn't he should seriously consider giving them a try. The NUSC should maybe leave the Ashley business to one side while a sale could possibly be going through. I doubt it's a smokescreen otherwise Ashley wouldn't have handed it over to Harris to oversee the sale which also leads me to believe that the club will have to be fairly priced eventually.

That's an interesting take, but as the NUSC seems primarily concerned with Ashley leaving at all costs I doubt they will be prepared to even contemplate entering a debate with Ashley's people. Parky's attutude of "fuck the club" in the short term is a good example of this thinking. It's a recipe for relegation if you ask me. If the club isn't sold, in my view it would be constructive for the NUSC to open a sensible dialogue with the current owners. If only to air complaints.

Unless Ashley calls our bluff. Because that's what it is. If he doesn't sell there's very little we can do unless we go the whole hog and permanently fuck the club. Lose-lose situation. I don't think he really wants to sell. We might have to initially 'fuck the club' to win. Does the "fuck the club" equation factor in the possibility of relegation? Although it was ridiculed at the time the appointment of Kinnear short term might be the best hope of staving off the possibility because under Hughton we were sinking fast.

FUCK OFF! Baggy beaten! Nowt childish about that of course

Well I'm sure I'd love an owner to buy in and spend millions on players, don't know many fans who wouldn't. In the current financial climate where even the richest billionaires are seeing their assets tumbling, I'm not convinced it's going to happen.

Leazes usually takes up such a position it's hard for him to be wrong tbh. It's easy to say X amount of money should be spent by the owner, but until somebody buys the club and puts his money where his mouth is, it's hard to say how it should be done. I'm fairly sure Fat Fred, Leazes superhero took a lot more out of the club than he put in. sometimes you make decent comments, but just lately this sort of shite has let you down. What is it you consider shite then? Freddie Shepherd profited handsomely from Newcastle United, he certainly didn't put his own money in. I'm not convinced there are loads of buyers out there who will sink a load of money into strengething the squad if they take over either. your silly use of childish words like "superhero". I'm pointing out they did rather quite well when they ran the club, if Ashley had also did well and showed that he was on the right road, I'd have supported him too, which goes without saying. I have no idea if anyone better than Ashley will take over, its quite possible that it could be worse again. That therefore would make them even more inferior to the Halls and Shepherd, but all we can do is hope for the best. My "heroes" by the way [from when I was a kid anyway], are ex players like Tony Green, Wyn Davies and the rest of the Fairs Cup squad I think it's childish"to keep crowing "Baggy beaten" like a cheerleader over two people having a debate but it's all about opinions. What I don't understand is why didn't Shepherd buy SJH's shares if he didn't want someone like Ashley to do it? He didn't have the money? If not, how was he going to keep showing this ambition you keep talking about by spending big to compete with the top clubs? The South Africans are looking for local investors, why doesn't Freddie re-invest £40m he made from selling his shares back into his own club rather than some two bit Spanish outfit? well I don't see what my comments to Baggio have to do with you ? Especially in view of the disputes he is having just now with people, not just me, where he seems hell bent on denying the obvious. I don't think taking the piss as a result is so childish, but as you say, this is just an opinion. The only reason, if you can call it that, why I "defend" Shepherd, is quite simply because nobody has done better. I would love someone to come along and do better than the Halls and shepherd, I promise if that happens, I won't be "defending" them. I have no idea why he doesn't re-invest 40m into the club. Its pretty obvious he couldn't compete with Ashley, and once the Halls had sold, he was out. He could have stuck it out and prevented him getting 75% of the shares, but what use would that have been ultimately ? If it was me, that had 40m quid, I wouldn't put it into Newcastle or any football club ? Would you ? I personally would probably want to buy some shares, but once you have been chairman etc you probably wouldn't want to be less than that. That would be my feeling about it anyway. I've never denied that the Halls and Shepherd wouldn't have been able to match the big spenders now coming into the premiership by the way, but I just thought that they ie Ashley etc, didn't understand football, and there is no excuse for lying to your manager and undermining him by appointing someone else for him to answer to, and making a profit in the transfer market when you need players. Newcastle are one of the biggest clubs in the country, behaving like 2nd raters - as I've just said - is going back to the old days and believe me, you don't want it to happen. That is the crux of it really. At this moment in time the only person who has put his money where his mouth is is Ashley. Everyone can tell someone else how to spend other people's money, but no one wants to put their hands into their pockets themselves. There were other buyers before Ashley who fucked off sharpish after studying the books you might remember. We can only hope now that the club finds a buyer who will be willing to spend big without borrowing heavily and leaving us with a debt like Liverpool.

Leazes usually takes up such a position it's hard for him to be wrong tbh. It's easy to say X amount of money should be spent by the owner, but until somebody buys the club and puts his money where his mouth is, it's hard to say how it should be done. I'm fairly sure Fat Fred, Leazes superhero took a lot more out of the club than he put in. sometimes you make decent comments, but just lately this sort of shite has let you down. What is it you consider shite then? Freddie Shepherd profited handsomely from Newcastle United, he certainly didn't put his own money in. I'm not convinced there are loads of buyers out there who will sink a load of money into strengething the squad if they take over either. your silly use of childish words like "superhero". I'm pointing out they did rather quite well when they ran the club, if Ashley had also did well and showed that he was on the right road, I'd have supported him too, which goes without saying. I have no idea if anyone better than Ashley will take over, its quite possible that it could be worse again. That therefore would make them even more inferior to the Halls and Shepherd, but all we can do is hope for the best. My "heroes" by the way [from when I was a kid anyway], are ex players like Tony Green, Wyn Davies and the rest of the Fairs Cup squad I think it's childish"to keep crowing "Baggy beaten" like a cheerleader over two people having a debate but it's all about opinions. What I don't understand is why didn't Shepherd buy SJH's shares if he didn't want someone like Ashley to do it? He didn't have the money? If not, how was he going to keep showing this ambition you keep talking about by spending big to compete with the top clubs? The South Africans are looking for local investors, why doesn't Freddie re-invest £40m he made from selling his shares back into his own club rather than some two bit Spanish outfit?

Leazes usually takes up such a position it's hard for him to be wrong tbh. It's easy to say X amount of money should be spent by the owner, but until somebody buys the club and puts his money where his mouth is, it's hard to say how it should be done. I'm fairly sure Fat Fred, Leazes superhero took a lot more out of the club than he put in. sometimes you make decent comments, but just lately this sort of shite has let you down. What is it you consider shite then? Freddie Shepherd profited handsomely from Newcastle United, he certainly didn't put his own money in. I'm not convinced there are loads of buyers out there who will sink a load of money into strengething the squad if they take over either.

Leazes usually takes up such a position it's hard for him to be wrong tbh. It's easy to say X amount of money should be spent by the owner, but until somebody buys the club and puts his money where his mouth is, it's hard to say how it should be done. I'm fairly sure Fat Fred, Leazes superhero took a lot more out of the club than he put in.

He didn't exactly spend the money he did get very well though did he? If money was tight hardly a great idea to splurge £6m on Smith and put him on 60k a week. I agree but I was making a different point. I just don't think Allardyce should be commenting on not getting money when he wasn't spending money very well in any case. Given more funds he'd probably have just wasted them. Keegan had grounds for complaint especially as he had to make a fist of a job with Allardyce's over-paid, under-performing players. Fat Sam should shut up really. All I was saying was that neither manager have had much in the way of spending money (in terms of net spending). It was an attack on Ashley rather than a defence of Allardyce's transfers. Yeah I don't have a problem with what you are saying I think you are entitled to say it. So was Keegan. Fat Sam wasn't that's the only distinction I would draw.

He didn't exactly spend the money he did get very well though did he? If money was tight hardly a great idea to splurge £6m on Smith and put him on 60k a week. I agree but I was making a different point. I just don't think Allardyce should be commenting on not getting money when he wasn't spending money very well in any case. Given more funds he'd probably have just wasted them. Keegan had grounds for complaint especially as he had to make a fist of a job with Allardyce's over-paid, under-performing players. Fat Sam should shut up really.

He didn't exactly spend the money he did get very well though did he? If money was tight hardly a great idea to splurge £6m on Smith and put him on 60k a week.

It's true Shola isn't very good in the air. Unfortunately he can't shoot either which makes him one deadly striker indeed

I made a post on skunkers and howaythetoon saying that we should give him a chance to get some spirit and motivation into the club, and he might just do the job. I think the press conference was possibly meant to be a deliberate ploy and promote a siege mentality, but if its what they need, so be it. He might only be here for a while, but if he does a good job, than good. Its the bigger issue over ownership that needs sorting out. Good luck to the bloke, I think that he's giving this a good crack. You also did a post on Newcastle Online a couple of days back where you pulled me up for giving Joe support, but then hindsight's a great teacher did i now ? I really can't remember, but there are lots more people than me are using hindsight for a far longer and more consistent period on NO. What you should try and also understand, is that sometimes if you are responding to a fuckwit, like thickmick, it isn't so easy as making an intelligent and reasoned response to someone with half a brain. Not that I'm saying you only have half a brain or owt - but I find your defense of Ashley a bit odd to say the least. FWIW, I'll say my piece now. The fact that Ashley has fucked up big style, and his system is dragging us down to the 2nd division, where the Halls and Shepherd found the club, will I'm sure go completely unnoticed by those who choose to totally ignore facts and have no understanding of how the club was pre-1992 and also have no interest in listening to people who were. Nowt knew there then not even hindsight. Which shows their own particularly lack of brains. Their problem. I think - after one game - that he just might rediscover some sort of spirit among this club, he's experienced, and he's done this sort of attitude before. So you never know. I think it would be more accident than design though but as a supporter of the club, all I want is for him to do a good job, the ownership be settled with someone taking over who has footballing intelligence, and if Kinnear is replaced, is replaced with someone who is taking over the team from a position whereby premiership safety is possible and accomplished. No thanks to Ashley and his band though. The sooner they fuck off the better. I was talking about Kinnear's appointment LM. Not Ashley, or Shepherd or Mick from Newcastle Online. As a short term appointment I was prepared to give it a chance regardless of who was the owner because I thought in a short term he could do a job of galvanising a demoralised squad. I was just surprised that you are now telling everyone here (in hindsight) how it might work, after mocking me on Newcastle Online for suggesting the same thing?

I made a post on skunkers and howaythetoon saying that we should give him a chance to get some spirit and motivation into the club, and he might just do the job. I think the press conference was possibly meant to be a deliberate ploy and promote a siege mentality, but if its what they need, so be it. He might only be here for a while, but if he does a good job, than good. Its the bigger issue over ownership that needs sorting out. Good luck to the bloke, I think that he's giving this a good crack. You also did a post on Newcastle Online a couple of days back where you pulled me up for giving Joe support, but then hindsight's a great teacher

Why did you feel it necessary to make this your first NUFC-related post in over a month? To be contrary? Why not just address the issues he raises rather than speculate on his motives? Is the second option easier?

Is Danny B the beaver? It's hard to tell when he's not wearing his Tottenham shirt.

What serious conversation?

It didn't sound like fighting spirit to me, it sounded like a man confused, scared and out of his depth. Quicker he is replaced the better. Yes...bring Chris Hughton back for the next 6 matches. His approach was so much more successful

For a short term appointment he's just the job. Positive, talking about it as the chance of a lifetime and generally just relishing the opportunity. We weren't going to win any games under Hughton, so until the takeover is done, it's a chance to regroup and get some confidence back in the side. Some of our players are a bunch of hopeless quitters given half a chance so hopefully he'll kick a few arses and get a response.

Well this board does come across as a bit exclusive for reasons that you mention above. I never ventured much into the General section of N-O while LeazesMag was posting there, it tended to resemble a Nueremberg rally. Strange how the old Toontastic when I joined and N-O seem to have crossed over to become mirror opposites of themselves since then.

Maybe we can organise a march in America demanding a likeable Yank puts a bid in? Has anyone got Steve Wraith's number?

Which two bit country would that be? he was English number 1 and represented Great Britain in the Olympics. Well who'd have thought?

Lots of unpalatable truths in that article even if we don't want to hear it. Still, you never know, maybe some Arab will buy us out rather than fuck off back to Egypt like the writer, who's only claim to fame is playing ping pong for his two-bit country.

Is there any bastard available who won't be accused of being a Wise yes man? Just curious.