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No, you thought that buying a ticket was buying a share. I dont. By calling a fan a stakeholder you dont change the nature of what was exchanged in the market. All fans are stakeholders, even ones who stream the games off the net for nowt and contribute to forums but add no revenue to the club. Nonsense. I said nothing of the sort about shares and tickets. I said "You pay to watch the spectacle as a form of entertainment (sic). The exchange of cash for ticket entitles you to enter the ground and view the game. Nowt else. Wages are a contract between employer and employee and does not involve 'customers' tbqfh." You said you pay the players wages to counter that and to suggest that you are entitled to a voice within the club. Thats why we are talking about shares and tickets tbh. And stop googling to back your shite arguments up BTW do you have bad coffee breath and sweaty pits? Most teachers do tbh.

I love it when opinion is posted as fact. He also suggest it has been SJH flogging the club around causing the unsettlement. But why the mirror? Implying presumably the Halls who have not been able to settle the deal too. However, it seems cynical to come out now and say it. The club has just closed negotiations in recent weeks, FS wants to come out and say what his plan is as he seems to be the one in charge. Not the other way round if you ask me.

Nearly as good acting as Taylor.

No, you thought that buying a ticket was buying a share. I dont. By calling a fan a stakeholder you dont change the nature of what was exchanged in the market. All fans are stakeholders, even ones who stream the games off the net for nowt and contribute to forums but add no revenue to the club.

I'd happily buy them.

Exception that proves the rule shirley Not really. Market orientation always wins out. Simon Cowell is proof of that. Utter gibberish. Your students must be stunned by those insights in class.

Legally correct, however, economically you are so wrong it is untrue! A football club without fans has very little income whether that be direct or indirect income. The fans are the ones who pay for merchandise, tickets, food and that is so significant that if it was lost to the club then it wouldnt have a bloody ground (note that the loan for the expansion was based on future season ticket sales amongst other things). Without a ground I suspect we would struggle to get SKY along and any monies there would be lost. Basically the club cant operate without its core customers. To say that fans expenditure doesnt pay for the players wages isnt economically correct. It does. I have 2 economics degrees and am an professional economist so consider myself an expert in this field tbh. You pay to watch the match. Once you have seen it, then you have received the service you paid for. Of course revenue contributes to the cost base and therefore all sources of revenue are relevant to how a company remunerates its employees. However, from a purely economical point of view, the fan pays to see the game. Once the club has allowed you entrance onto its property, you have exchanged a service for your cash. The value of that service (seeing the game) is implicit in the price of the ticket. Its called 'making a market'. If you dont understand the nature of exchange in a market then there are a number of GCSE textboooks i could look up for you. Paying for a ticket does not entitle you to owt else apart from a seat at the match. If you pay to go and see a Scorsese film, do you think that entitles you to a say in how he makes his next film? No, it entitles you to a seat in the cinema and that is it. Same principle applies here. Where did you get those degrees from? WH Smiths? I am an economist too funnily enough and have taught economics for years. Your point was that the fan doesnt pay for the wage. I agre that directly he/she doesnt. However, without the fan there is little point in a ticket being printed. Simple as that. The fan base (or customer) will always indirectly pay the wages of the player. It really is that simple. We could wrap it up in all kinds of nonsense but the simple fact is that revenue generated from fans is the base of that market. Without that there is no player. Nb: Please don't use degrees like they are Top Trumps. Its hardly a recommendation these days. Well i'm glad i'm not one of your students as your understanding of markets is atrocious. Of course financially all markets are paid for by their customers but that is not the point of a market. You exchange something for money. Hoping not to sound like a certain cuntface who used to manage our club, i'm sure on the ticket it doesnt say give up your £600 for a voice in the running of the business. That is what it says on a share though when you buy one of those. I'm tearing off my brown cardigan and putting on my steel toe-duster sandals as we speak

Exception that proves the rule shirley

Legally correct, however, economically you are so wrong it is untrue! A football club without fans has very little income whether that be direct or indirect income. The fans are the ones who pay for merchandise, tickets, food and that is so significant that if it was lost to the club then it wouldnt have a bloody ground (note that the loan for the expansion was based on future season ticket sales amongst other things). Without a ground I suspect we would struggle to get SKY along and any monies there would be lost. Basically the club cant operate without its core customers. To say that fans expenditure doesnt pay for the players wages isnt economically correct. It does. I have 2 economics degrees and am an professional economist so consider myself an expert in this field tbh. You pay to watch the match. Once you have seen it, then you have received the service you paid for. Of course revenue contributes to the cost base and therefore all sources of revenue are relevant to how a company remunerates its employees. However, from a purely economical point of view, the fan pays to see the game. Once the club has allowed you entrance onto its property, you have exchanged a service for your cash. The value of that service (seeing the game) is implicit in the price of the ticket. Its called 'making a market'. If you dont understand the nature of exchange in a market then there are a number of GCSE textboooks i could look up for you. Paying for a ticket does not entitle you to owt else apart from a seat at the match. If you pay to go and see a Scorsese film, do you think that entitles you to a say in how he makes his next film? No, it entitles you to a seat in the cinema and that is it. Same principle applies here.

I would expect Meenzer to do this but not you. The Germans love it up em! apparently Ah, the high standard of British humour. Are you sure you don't have any German genes... Jon is more Geordie Jeans tbh.

Ramage has visibly lost confidence in the last few weeks and getting on his back isnt going to help that. He knows he is under pressure. He has put in some decent games this season but he has just had 2 absolute shockers. The crowd is ready to get on any players back as soon as they have made one mistake tbh. I personally detest people who boo or get on the back of any of our players. What makes it worse for me is if the people who get on players backs say fuck all else all game. There are a few too many of these characters in the ground. Also to clear an issue up, us, the paying fans DO NOT pay the players wages. You pay to watch the spectacle as a form of entertainment (sic). The exchange of cash for ticket entitles you to enter the ground and view the game. Nowt else. Wages are a contract between employer and employee and does not involve 'customers' tbqfh.

He shouldnt be smoking it in the first place.

Another jesusweptathon. Lush.

Be there around 1.30 too.

If you dont concede you dont lose? I've got three very big issues with that. Firstly, you will come up against teams better than you who will score. None of the big teams think like that, Chelsea, Man U, Arse all concede but have the striking options to beat a variety of opponents or alter their tactics accordingly. Finally that attitude makes for a very boring spectacle. We need a defender and we need a striker. As the whole football world values strikers higher than defenders, it will need more money on the striker to get the quality we need. BTW WTF has Martins being injured got to do with weds?

I'm your man, but I cannot be bothered at the moment You do employment law Berb? Aye. Always been interested in it, firstly as a shop steweard, then from a management side. It was my specialist subject in post grad. In my position now I handle the emp. law issues I thought you ran your own company and employed loads of people?

Can't stand him personally but I don't want to wish death or ill health on anyone. You do a good impression of him though

for some countries that's just a normal day down the shops tho ... Where? The windy city?

I think GC on N-O is absolutely dead mostly, considering the amount of posters. The Toon side on here is pretty quiet though, admittedly. Im used to large amounts of threads with hundreds of clickable links to keep me occupied, volume of posts here, from what i have seen, isnt as large. ADHD tbh I'll get him some Ritalin from work - might do the trick. In some young children amphetamines can also be effective. I think that's what they use regularly in Felling Apparently it makes kids focus on one thing only and get into it a bit more so they dont flit between different stimuli. ok...so they can focus on either assault or burglary and not get side-tracked Basically your more efficient charva shit head aye

Wheres Windy Miller when his country needs him?

I think GC on N-O is absolutely dead mostly, considering the amount of posters. The Toon side on here is pretty quiet though, admittedly. Im used to large amounts of threads with hundreds of clickable links to keep me occupied, volume of posts here, from what i have seen, isnt as large. ADHD tbh I'll get him some Ritalin from work - might do the trick. In some young children amphetamines can also be effective. I think that's what they use regularly in Felling Apparently it makes kids focus on one thing only and get into it a bit more so they dont flit between different stimuli.

http://aurgasm.us/2006/12/hey-dj-friday-ch...ak-and-dub.html Dub freaky version of Wicked Game. Trentemøller loves it.

I think GC on N-O is absolutely dead mostly, considering the amount of posters. The Toon side on here is pretty quiet though, admittedly. Im used to large amounts of threads with hundreds of clickable links to keep me occupied, volume of posts here, from what i have seen, isnt as large. ADHD tbh I'll get him some Ritalin from work - might do the trick. In some young children amphetamines can also be effective.

I think GC on N-O is absolutely dead mostly, considering the amount of posters. The Toon side on here is pretty quiet though, admittedly. Im used to large amounts of threads with hundreds of clickable links to keep me occupied, volume of posts here, from what i have seen, isnt as large. ADHD tbh

You can fuck off with that fat boy, because I've dragged my arse out of the house for all of the shite European games and the pre-season friendly cobblers, while you've sat in and watched them on the telly - what was your excuse for them if not that you couldn't be arsed? Surprised at you trying to play the soopafan card actually. I was a bit pissed (and pissed off) when I made that post, apologies . I can understand you not going, and often can't be bothered myself, as you know. But when you've got a ticket, isn't it a bit of a waste? Also how the fuck did you predict the right match to avoid? It's called genius. No bother btw, thought it was a bit out of character even for a big hom like you. It was definitely a waste of money, but I've cancelled the direct debit thing now as well. I'm not just gonna mindlessly go to all of the shit European games anymore. If I decide it's worth it, I'll make the effort to get a ticket. If I forget to make the effort or whatever then I can't have really wanted to go. Going out of some sense of duty is for mongs. Its like my innate sense of which ones to go to this season. Chelsea away remains the only reverse, 1 draw at home to Man U and the rest have been wins. My presence at West Ham is a good omen tbf.