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thats what I mean...no one else gets complete final say on almost everything (within a given budget) at their club apart from Fergie. The rest of them are their to coach the players and thats it.

He's entitled to his too. I've a lot of time for everyone's opinion, but when you start throwing insults around from behind a internet connection because yours have been proven to be ill founded it does tend to make you look a bit daft.

I thought he had a year left on his contract?...maybe am wrong..

Why? because my opinion is different to yours? that makes you sound about as tolerant of others as you claim John Terry to be.

Is the answer you get from the person who has lost the debate

Is John Terry a racist then?

Nearly all clubs like a coach who just does coaching nowadays..Fergie is the last "top to bottom" manager left now, the rest are just some slightly unusual form of middle mangers who have to motivate millionaires on a daily basis. Good luck with that Brendan

We make a lot less on him if we sign him on a long term basis,possibly even as little as 5mill according to my "back of a fag packet" arithmatic Next season am fine with, and if he scores 20 and we finish in the top 6 again then he'll be worth it I suppose. If he's shite he can go back to the scousers. What the effect his wages will have on the rest of the changing room is open to debate. For me though, theres something not quite right about this. Pardew said he wanted to leave,asked to leave even, so why does he want him back? Is he not bothered about Carroll pulling the same shit again a few weeks after he signs his next mammoth long term deal with us?...

Yeah I agree, but that was just a for instance to illustrate the type of deal we've been doing and you're right we've moved up a level striker wise in all sorts of different ways with Cisse's signing. Ideally we need another Cisse type signing. Then if we can manage to hold on to all and add Debuchy and Douglas then I'd agree with the majority even I'd be feeling more optimistic than at virtually any other time in the last 30 years! but I can't see it panning out like that....

If that means I like to put some thought into things and can state my conclusions clearly so even the likes of you can understand them then yeah, thats negative.

Ok..what is the bigger gamble....unknown but handy foreign lad scouted by Graham Carr @ 5mill x 30k/week for 4 years or Andy Carroll @ 15mill + 4mill a season for 4 years?...I dont know the right answer to be honest, but the Carroll deal is against everything we've been doing since relegation. If we are going to cover his wages by selling another player then the other player's replacement is going to have to be just as good, and that is of course possible. I dont know, it does appeal to me, but we've just got rid of one malingering cunt who built a career and a fortune on a good 18month spell early in his career which he was never able to repeat, regardless of fitness. This isnt as fuckin bent as the Smith deal, that was so much a "jobs for the boys" effort by Allardyce it makes me sick, but it could well be as much of a financial millstone.

Not sure what the club are up to.....financially its against evrything theyve been preaching and leading us to beleive in the last couple of years....I dont think it represents particularly good value for money, which is what we're supposed to be about.

Thats the figure most quoted so it may well be around that mark. If he comes next season I dare say Smith's wagesw for next season will cover most of it. Then you're fucked mind. He'll want four or five years at 3-4 million a year That means finding the transfer fee (15 mill? will one years tv money cover that?) and selling one of Tiote, Cabaye or Cisse to cover his wages. Put like that I think they should try to sign the best young striker in France for 5mill and pay him 30k a week. As per "the model" #olympiquelyonnais

I thought that, but didnt want to interrupt the almost unanamous clamour for his signing. Didnt want to appear "negative"

"reportedly around" 20 mill euros No wonder we walked away if we think we can get Carroll for around the same price. De Jong's a huge gamble in comparison.

Surprise surprise, various articles this morning saying Ashley wants Liverpool to pay a large slice of Carroll's wages should he come next season on loan....all this is looking unlikely to be honest purely on that basis. A one sason loan provides little risk though, and if Ashley coughs up more dough a deal may yet be done. Can't see him joining on a long term basis though, unless Cabaye or Cisse are sold for a fee in the gazillion dollars bracket.

Wait till she's signed off from work with a decade's supply of prozac for crying uncontrolably over a passing comment her offspring may have made which made her feel utterly worthless, then go round the same night and dump her. Worked a treat, she got engaged to someone else 6 months later

Well that's what I said further up the page...we'll sell anyone if the money is good enough. The difference this time is Dekka and Pardew have been inviting offers with their public utterences. Its probably as a result of the Carroll thing, they said he wasn't being sold and then as you say got an offer they couldnt refuse and copped a load of flack. Think they want to make sure we're under no illusions should it happen again. Sad to say I can't see a scenario this summer where we'll keep everyone we want to keep from last season. Things change due to unexpected moves at other clubs etc....cant see a huge offer from a top club not coming in for Cisse or Cabaye. But we'll have a contingency plan I imagine for those situations, so we'll see what happens.

Alan Pardew said we wouldnt sell Andy Carroll....a lot of things can change in a transfer window. We'll see. The point about early deals last season is irrelevent tbh. Players who played at the Euros are still on holiday. If a move is right for both parties a deal can be reached fairly quickly.

I sort of agree, but way its presented the only people it doesn't make sense for are the supporters of Newcastle United. All if and buts, but supposing Santon is a bit homesick..

Why's that mate? We know the 3 players they want,doesnt mean theyre going to get them; de Jong wants to join Monchegladbach, but they'll have a host of other irons in the fire, one of which may well be Andy Carroll. And we know Ba's situation, and we know we'll sell anyone if the player wants to leave and a daft offer comes in....so what part of the article didnt we know? The Bojan/Santon potential swap deal isnt mentioned. Thats an interesting one.Not sure how much substance is in it, Bojan's on a 2 year deal at Roma, at the end of which Barca have the option to take him back if he's improved sufficiently. Looks like thats not happening after his first season, so he's seeking pastures new. Can't see him joining anyone for anything other than a season long loan, which makes getting rid of Santon pointless really because if Bojan signs on loan and scores 20 goals next season theres more than a fair chance he'll go back to his one true love. So we'll still need a striker and we'll lose a player who looks a lot more useful than Enrique did after his first season into the bargain. I'm completely relaxed about all this. This is the way the Mike Ashley fun bus rolls

Paul Kelso of the Telegraph said on 5live earlier that the FA will treat Terry the same as Suarez as they both admitted to saying the words theyre in bother for. So he's likely to get a long ban, which will aggreive Chelsea and their fans hugely no doubt. But this wouldve been all in the past by now if some silly fucker hadn't complained to the police.

Sounds a lot like my parents, similar age. They don't have a pathological fear of then Hun mind

Some of them might want to leave though, and Ba's contract with us certainly left all his options open. The thought of Carroll terrorisng European defenders not used to defending against players like him appeals to me greatly....the thought that Mike Ashley would pay his reported Liverpool salary strikes me as unlikely.

What did you do during the war Uncle Noelie?.......