peasepud

We already have £27m before we've launched with some big players still to announce. Im not involved in the planning of this but I would have said that all deposits are just that, deposits, the person making it can change their mind and withdraw and if it doesnt happen then yes, you'd get your money back. Thats what I would hope to see happen, once the details are announced on Monday then we'll all be able to read the small print before making any decisions. Dont get me wrong, this could more than easily fail but theres also a lot of backing of it from some major players in the financial markets, pension companies, banks etc who are looking to use it as a vehicle to invest in (same logic though, one member one vote, so we wont suddenly see Prudential or someone saying "we own 51% of the club so fuck you"). Its time to see what happens, back it however we can. For instance as I said there'd be no reason why a hundred of us on here couldnt put in £25 and buy a slice. 50,000 people at £2,500 I agree is "difficult" to see happening, 5,000 @ £25,000 pension slice more than realistic. That in itself would buy the club and pay off the overdraft. Make it 8,000 investors though and you've suddenly got a £75m player fund. Add the other means of investing, the big names who stick in a million here or two million there and you are looking very capable of getting to £300m.

First ever pic of my son, my own flesh n blood and what does he do to his old man? Why you little........

I guess you failed to read my post then.

The whole plan aims to raise between £200 and £300m, purchase of the club, payment of debts and working capital to get us back up there and running successfully. theres going to be a number of ways to invest, one of them being by handing over £2,500 of actual money, others include the pension investment (which is the one Im personally going to be using because it doesnt involve pulling any actual cash out but moving pension around). Obviously many, many of us dont just have a spare £2,500 we can invest in our football club and especially to get a return below what we would in a bank but at the same time, knowing that you are getting a return on your investment in addition to owning a chunk of the club is very tempting. Its each to their own and the full information will be available for everyone to see and make their own minds up. Theres going to be financial advisors opening up in the City Centre allowing people to walk in and discuss the options and whats best for them. Nobody is expected to just put their hands in their pockets and hand over the cash, its got to be done based on whats best for you. Theres also nothing stopping groups of people, supporters clubs, workplaces etc, chipping in a hundred quid each and raising £2,500 between them to give that group a voice. Importantly though, whether you invest £2,500 or £25million you get the same voice, 1 member 1 vote.

agreed

tbh Ive had the promotion of Sports Direct as being Ashleys aim from the very start of buying the club. Sell lots of football gear in stores, link stores with football club, tell football players to win League, rake in profits from club and additional sales in stores.

I think you've all missed the important point, the screen is going to be positioned in the Directors bar so fat cunt and his mates dont have to step out with the rabble, oh and it will be showing live screenings from White Hart Lane so they dont miss a second of the action.

Probably being picky here but how come Llardarse always refers to the club as "it"?

full of shit, I thought every penny was going to be spent on players? A giant screen showing Sports Direct adverts in between long lingering shots of the fat man will surely be enough to put most people off a half time pie.

tbf to Fatty #1 not selling to Fatty #2 wasnt really an option due to the Halls already screwing him over.

Tom_NUFC put a post in the petition thread which I think a lot of people missed. Theres stuff going on behind the scenes but it does appear that as far as the council are concerned then its not a case that Fat Man can sell the name off and reap the rewards. This is why we've been saying to take our time and not come out all guns blazing, if these things can be sorted without SSN doing their usual "call him a fat wanker" on one hand and then going "ooooooh dear, they called him a name" on the other then everyones a winner. The basis of the belief is that the Freemen of the city own the land and have final say over anything such as name changes, any money made from that change would actually be owed to them and not fat man. The council have (I believe) already contacted fatty to let him know this fact. Gawd Id love to be a fly on the wall when he opens that letter

It's for that reason alone that I reckon he came knocking on our door in the first place - seen how for generations we'd put up with shit, always in the boardroom and often on the pitch yet still we packed the place out. A new approach is needed - quite what it is remains to be seen. It'd be better coming from a 'united' front which would ensure that we won't simply 'go away' when the press find something new to talk about. But then again we still have to make a stand individually - how many of you can put your hand on your heart and say you've not put another penny Ashley's way since Keegan walked out? I don't include those of you who signed up for the 3 year deal - your transaction took place before and as Gemmill says, no sense in cutting your nose off to spite your face. How many have bought something in a Sports Direct store in the last 14 months? How many have bought a programme, a pint, a pie, a mars bar, a geordie jackpot ticket or anything else from within the confinds of SJP over the same period? How many own any one of the current replica shirts? If you have, you've put cash in his pocket. If you want to affect Mike Ashley, that has to stop now. Money is all he knows about and yes, he'll try and sell the crown jewels but lets be honest, he's going to do that as well as take our cash, not in spite of it.... The man is so self-absorbed, he couldn't give a fuck who we are or what we represent. Nor will he stop selling our soul if we don't take action. Play nice and big Mikey will stop being so nasty? I don't fucking think so! THIS ; Personally , i havent bought anything , been to a match ( despite having bought the season ticket last season ) since Sir Kevin was constructively dismissed ... shame 44 000 others didnt think the same way , cos the FAT CUNT wouldve been long gone by now. zero pence spent here, no pie, no pint, more importantly no replica shirt (although he did me a big favour with that banana shite, he then ruined it with the nice blue striped version), I now drink out of a Richer Sounds mug at work because my last toon one was broken. Only difference is that Ive used my ticket, three years paid for and personally I dont see how not going will hit him in the pocket. If its for the greater good, if I know that by not setting foot in the ground then those that buy match day tickets will not go then fair enough but personally I think that currently you not attending is a wasted protest. Hes got your cash, he doesnt care if you go or not. At least by going then the chorus of "get out of our club" will be that little bit louder.

I dont belive that, ot saying you're making it up btw just as Alex says his "PR machine" (he really should disband that) would have been making out that its all Freddys fault. I honestly now think that any outstanding transfer amounts will not be paid. Hes seen what the FA have done to Portsmouth and thought "gettin, a ready made excuse for no purchases in January".

Bet a tenner he'd still be doing this though, Premiership would have just meant he'd get more for it.

Are we going to have to rewrite classic songs too? "Id brave the dark at the Adidas Arena for me mother saying hinny haway." doesnt really have the same ring to it like. christ Im fucked if Ive not used the right howay/haway.

Ive never managed to get the bluetooth to work for anything until last week. Had a Mondeo hire car and the phone paired straight in, perfect quality calls over the bluetooth.

Only just ventured into this thread, sorry to hear about both of you. Im sure things will work out for the best in the long run though. Oh and cheers for telling me about the Trent lads, twice Ive called in and been stood on me todd

Apologies, probably just read the last at the wrong time The fact is wee've attempted to hold talks with Moat and not had the courtesy of a reply, on that logic he hasnt even heard what we are wanting in return. I think that speaks volumes personally about the man and his original motives.

We attempted to open dialogue with Moat a while back. He's fully aware of our position, what sort of funds were talking about and what not. To date (as far as I'm aware) there's been no reply. That'll be with the two seats on the board condition ? Unless I'm waaay off the mark on this, this was my bet weeks ago. And you'd prefer what? that we gave him peoples money (money they have invested with a view to changing the way this club is ran and ensuring its done properly with the fans in mind) and told him just to piss it up a wall? Too right we'd expect seat(s) on the board, investing a 5th of the purchase price on behalf of the fans and getting no say? Thats not what a Trust is for but if you do think thats a bit harsh then please feel free to donate via paypal to peasepud@toontastic.net and I'll pass it onto Barry for you.

ahh fuck it I give up. No matter what is written, no matter what you say, the same people trot the same tired arguments out. All Im saying is that we need to spend a few days coming up with the options, sorting the possible routes out and then do them. The likes of CT and Jihad are calling for a storming of the gates, what gates? theres no game til next Saturday so that gives us 8 days. If we arranged something for matchday yesterday it would have no bigger affect than if we arrange it on Monday. Absulute fucking bollocks and you know it, frankly a cheap shot from a sad fucker who has to spice up his life and make out hes a big shot on the internet when frankly hes just some argumentative wank. You've now decided to turn a couple of hundred people into lickspittles behind some faceless name on a message board, maybe you should credit these people with a bit of free thinking eh? unlike yourself the other members on here are capable of reading something said and making an informed decision. As for this one, sorry like but thats bollocks as well, I dont come on here and preach the NUST stuff, I report what is happening and give reasoned argument for and against, read back over my previous posts, at times I myself am critical of the organisation, I myself may not agree with everything that goes on or where the focus is sitting at any one time. If I dont though then I'll make those feelings known. Im willing to stand up for what I believe in, I report back to the committee when I see whats going on on here, whats being said and how generally those that use places such as this are feeling. If anything you'll find that Im one of the few on that committee who wants to see more radical action, Im the one that stands up and makes my voice heard and is willing to say "this is shite, I disagree with it". If however, the rest disagree then Im fucked, what I wont do however is throw my toys out of the pram and walk away that would mean theres one less voice there touting the opposite view and even less chance of a reasoned debate taking place. Currently its working because thats democracy, the committee was formed to take this club forward in the way it sees fit. If you dont think that we're doing that then you are quite rightly within your rights to table a "no confidence" motion. Im sure however that will really piss Ashley off, us fighting amongst ourselves. You talk about putting the options to the members yet not once have you taken on board the fact that I keep saying time and time again in this thread that we are looking at the options, we are pulling together views and thoughts and things that may or may not work. It takes time to document and plan out these options properly, it takes time to see if they would work, see if you have the relevant backing and people on board. Then and only then is it a good idea to put them to the members, whats the use in saying we can do a,b,c,d or e oh and maybe f as well, which do you want? only to answer "I dont know, not thought about it" when asked what d means. As for certain people on here trotting out the "Im not giving him any more money, Im not going anymore" well great, good on you however thats not exactly a major sacrifice is it when as you put it "I normally decide which games I fancy going to", not really a hard thing to do when the options are Scunthorpe, Cardiff and Peterborough, not Man U, Liverpool and Arsenal. Its also not a hard sacrifice to make when you spend 6 months of the year out of the country and miss half the games anyway. It must give a real warm glow to sit two thousand miles away knowing you're being paid to make that stance and being smug with a "Im boycotting, why arent you" attitude. Some of us have a problem in paying out money to the fat man for the next three years only to let that go, hes no worse off but I am, Im paying out for something Im not going to use yet at the same time everyone else is still there, wooopeedoo theres 2000 of us not turning up out of principle, most of whom have already paid their money therefore its not 2000 less in gate receipts. If however a full, widescale boycott of the matches was organised then Id be stood there outside with the rest of them. Until then I'll be there week in week out giving my support to the lads and vocally making it clear how I feel about the regime. I'll be there 10 minutes after the game supporting the Ultras. Some of us never buy anything from the club out of the principle, not one drop of beer, water or a bite of a pie has passed my lips in that ground since last September. I dont see it as a major problem, what I do see as a problem is the fact I wont be able to buy my son a toon top the day hes born, that I cant kit him out for the day he is taken out of the RVI, that hurts me because thats how I would have always seen it happening. I can still take the long way home and drive past those gates, the gates that will still say "St James Park" on them come January. I can still stop and say "one day son, thats where you'll stand, with the rest of them that care about this club". As for anyone who thinks that Im using this board as an extension of the NUST and is sick of it then feel free, this link may help > Click here I will continue to give you the views from inside, I may not even personally agree with them at times but I'll still report them because if I dont then you'll have even less chance to disagree with them than you do now. Finally, as for chucking in your membership of the Trust CT what do you think you've gained from that? the minute its cancelled then you've got no ability to make your voice heard, no chance to put your views on the forum or argue against things at a meeting. Thats not making a stance, its cowardice, its being unwilling to stand up for what you believe in. The same Supporters for Change lad that now a major NUST player? the same Supporters for Change lad who argues strongly against protest at this point in time? Does that not tell you something?

If any of the "older lads" (Ive just turned 40 btw) can explain to me how reducing the income of the club by mass boycott will get rid of a man who is desperate to squeeze as much as possible out of this club then Id be interested to hear it. Reducing the clubs income now will give him even more excuse to sell the naming rights, theres no ifs and buts about it. He makes out we need x millions to survive, if by protest we then need x + y millions then he has the excuse he wants. It becomes our fault that the rights have been sold. Reducing the income will result in the following: Sale of players in January No new players purchased more staff cuts potential relegation naming rights sold Now I know that points 1 and 2 are inevitable anyway but when the time comes he has no excuses, its not the fans fault its his. People seem to think that because the NUST has not called for x protest to happen or hasnt organised anything substantial then its because we have no interest in doing so. Thats not the case, at least some of us do. There is no way that the ST will stand by and let that happen not without a damn big fight but at the same time (and I feel like Im just repeating myself here) we're not going to just rush out, rip up bedsheets and organise a march that only 200 people turn up for. It wont happen because it would be political suicide and more importantly wouldnt gain the desired result. The plans would still go ahead but we wouldnt have a credible organisation to stand up for the next thing. My view is that the ST will be doing whatever it can to stop this happening, there are however a number of avenues to be explored and its the sensible reasoned solution that will win the day. Boycoutt banners will attract SSN and the inevitable shit that goes with it. Marches with nobody turning up will pour more ridicule on the fans. Enlisting the help of big names, finding out if theres any legal avenues, enlisting the help of football fans the country (if not the world) wide to ensure its made clear that any company taking this offer up will see their revenues drop etc are all more sensible and worthwhile. If not then we still have protest as the fall back option. The simple fact of life is that theres no reason to rush out and protest today, hes stated that hes going to do this, its not done overnight, it will be months before anything is progressed (and if his recent form on the sale of the club is anything to go by then we dont need worry tbh). On that logic, what harm is there in spending a few days exploring the options before making a decision?

So if he hadnt got sent down but was found guilty then he'd be ok? Surely the quote should have been "we will not tolerate football players who break the law"

And this is why a boycott of games will not work. Its one thing to ask people to forego their pie n pint. Not buy a scarf or shirt and drink elsewhere before the game but its an entirely different one to ask them to stop actually going to the game. Its a way of life, its ingrained in us and nobody can blame anyone for that. Sometimes however for the greater good then sacrifices have to be made. If it came down to it and we knew that a full scale boycott was on the cards then we'd need to make that difficult decision. I think it was J69 last year that came up with the best compromise for a boycott, miss a game when its on the telly. Arrange it properly well in advance and get pubs all over the place to put on food, reduce the price of drinks and give stuff away to anyone with a season ticket in their hand say 20 minutes in. That way nobody misses the game, people gain some beer/scran/whatever out of it and we turn it into a party atmosphere. Then at the end of the game we all rush the ground and hang the fat fucker. Only joking we stab him. lol what a card I am burn him at the stake then hang him.