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What is there to talk about 'going forward?' Correct me if at any point you see I'm wrong.

 

We pay up front for players but accept installments and deferred payment for our sales.

The administration, who have been here since summer 2007, refer to problems created during their own reign as "inherited problems."

The administration has lied numerous times about the club's debt (sorry - changed their position, which amounts to lying. Interestingly, the fact that the club is still in debt doesn't jive with the notion of paying up front for players. You pay money you don't have for players despite being in debt, but accept delayed payment? It doesn't make sense. And that's if the club is really supposed to be run on the "Arsenal sustainable spending model" or whatever crap he came up with after he had to backtrack.)

We've got 'top class' managers knocking on the door...but JK is still in charge, and so are Ashley's cronies CH and CC.

We try to negotiate good deals for our best players, but when the other clubs 'surprisingly' say no, we give in anyway (Given.)

We are spending 17 mil on non-player salaries. You think the tea lady is on a hefty wedge? Or do you think it's more likely going to someone else...

 

This looks like the biggest cover up since Roswell (that's a joke btw) and nobody with two brain cells to rub together should be buying it. These people are liars and NUFC will never be competitive or even safe again until they are gone.

In a nutshell :lol:

 

 

The point is....Whats the point in just turning up to tell them how crap they are? What is that going to achieve?

 

NUSC needs to decide whether it wants to remain a protest group or a supporters club. It cant be both.

 

Lets just say its a supporters group borne out of a need to protest.

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None but to be fair, there is no other teams board that posts more about Spurs.

 

Most of the time I might as well be on glory glory anyhow.

 

Its comedy how you spend more time talking about us than your local rivals.

 

do we now ? HAve you made more posts on here or your local rivals site ?

 

Stupid sad cunt.

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NUSC needs to decide whether it wants to remain a protest group or a supporters club. It cant be both.

 

Theres nothing wrong with taking a de facto adverseral position - I remember having a chat with Mark Jensen a few years ago outside Upton park (deciding whether to go in as the game was on the point of being called off) when he asked me what I thought of The Mag - I said it had become too much part of the establishment and gave the club an easy ride - he replied that we had nothing to complain about (at the time) to which I said theres always something.

 

Even if Keegan was still here and Ashley had splashed the cash I think there would still have been a place for an "annoying" presence to keep the bastards in line - as it is I have no problem with hassling liars.

 

 

Yes, but it aint a democracy, its a private business. You me and noone else has a "right" to attend or ask questions. And yes you can answer but as the fans we deserve..... bla bla bla whatever, but there are no mass demonstrations and only 1% of the match attending fan base are members of nusc so the club can quite rightly tell you to fuck off.

 

In the spirit of "keeping your enemys closer" and all that, there are sometimes more than one way to skin a cat. These 4 members of NUSC currently have the chairmans ear, they are going to waste that opportunity by attending with an aggressive viewpoint and then writing whispers and gossip about james bond and the like.

 

How long do you think he is going to come along and play handbags with NUSC. Either he will tell them to fuck off or just send a subordinate along.

 

Just love irony Al baby

 

In an unrelated post Alex said that Kid Dynamite had to be the biggest contradiction on here, he now officially isnt.

 

You are clearly that, literally three weeks ago you were saying that the NUSC should become free and have 10k members to protest, that we should be protesting and nothing would be gained from talks. Now you say that we are wasting those talks, how exactly do you get that? those that went pushed on questions that the Thompson house journalists didnt have the bottle to ask in their extremely piss weak "interview". The dialogue clearly shows a non-confrontational attitude by the NUSC members yet the total opposite from the managing director of a club these people are fans and customers of.

 

You wonder how long DL will continue to go to these because the NUSC is there, well the answer is at least one more than he would have done if we hadnt been, there was no intention on his behalf to go to these meetings, never has been even before the NUSC and always shied away since, its only through our forcing of the issue and getting ourselves on the panel that there ever was a chance of him being there.

 

If you dont want him to answer questions on the state of the club or why we have a totally bollocks false accounting trasnfer policy then why do you want him to go? Because the meeting can happily move along without him, seeing as all that was previously discussed pre-NUSC days was "how can we sell more pies?" "what would make you buy an extra pint in Shearers?" etc.

 

We got ourselves on there to discuss heavy handed stewarding in Level 7 (something that some people even attempted to slag us off for!).

 

The word "contempt" has never been so apt yet you (an alleged member of the organisation) seems to see it as DLs right to treat that club like it doesnt exist, the use of the words "less than 1% of the fanbase" is remarkably like his putdown yet couldnt be so wrong, 1% is a fairly unheard of number for such a shortlived association. The FSF were amazed to find how many members we had especially as it was a paid subscription and the rate at which the organisation grows is enough to tell you that people are happy with what is happening.

 

You seem to be intent on proving my (and others) original thought that you are a plant, paid (as per the very strong rumours) to supply misinformation and provide the clubs viewpoint. Im just interested to know how much its worth to lose your principles or for that matter actually pretend to be a fan of another club for money.

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I wouldn't say he's from the club but i'm almost certain he's one of the Ashley apologists from N-O.

 

His posts are strikingly similar to one particular poster on there.

 

I knew him and that cunt EasterEgg were one in the same!

 

seasonal bastards :lol:

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NUSC needs to decide whether it wants to remain a protest group or a supporters club. It cant be both.

 

Theres nothing wrong with taking a de facto adverseral position - I remember having a chat with Mark Jensen a few years ago outside Upton park (deciding whether to go in as the game was on the point of being called off) when he asked me what I thought of The Mag - I said it had become too much part of the establishment and gave the club an easy ride - he replied that we had nothing to complain about (at the time) to which I said theres always something.

 

Even if Keegan was still here and Ashley had splashed the cash I think there would still have been a place for an "annoying" presence to keep the bastards in line - as it is I have no problem with hassling liars.

 

you're right, quite a lot of people did complain about us qualifying regularly for europe, signing top class players, expanding the stadium and filling it every game.

 

Amazing like. Especially with hindsight.

 

Next time this happens - if it happens - hopefully people might appreciate it a bit more instead of whinging on about the odd PR gaffe which is totally irrelevant when put into context.

 

Most of the time I think you have a point which you overstate but there you're implying everything was always rosy - heres a classic for you - me an my mates being kicked out of our seats for corporate cunts - your constant implication that a half decent team (which won nothing) excuses the shit we STILL had to put up with from Hall and Shepherd is fucking shite.

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NUSC needs to decide whether it wants to remain a protest group or a supporters club. It cant be both.

 

Theres nothing wrong with taking a de facto adverseral position - I remember having a chat with Mark Jensen a few years ago outside Upton park (deciding whether to go in as the game was on the point of being called off) when he asked me what I thought of The Mag - I said it had become too much part of the establishment and gave the club an easy ride - he replied that we had nothing to complain about (at the time) to which I said theres always something.

 

Even if Keegan was still here and Ashley had splashed the cash I think there would still have been a place for an "annoying" presence to keep the bastards in line - as it is I have no problem with hassling liars.

 

you're right, quite a lot of people did complain about us qualifying regularly for europe, signing top class players, expanding the stadium and filling it every game.

 

Amazing like. Especially with hindsight.

 

Next time this happens - if it happens - hopefully people might appreciate it a bit more instead of whinging on about the odd PR gaffe which is totally irrelevant when put into context.

 

Most of the time I think you have a point which you overstate but there you're implying everything was always rosy - heres a classic for you - me an my mates being kicked out of our seats for corporate cunts - your constant implication that a half decent team (which won nothing) excuses the shit we STILL had to put up with from Hall and Shepherd is fucking shite.

 

certainly don't think everything was perfect - far from it - but I don't give a rats arse about "shit" from Hall and Shepherd when they back their managers, which is all you want from them. The way Ashley has set about running this club should be ramming that point home.

 

I'm only 7 seats away from the area that was booted out of the middle of the Leazes End, and yes there is no doubt that it was wrong of them to do it.

 

We may have won fuck all, but I wouldn't swap our last decade for someone like say the smoggies who did. We could have won the FA Cup but for the width of a post against Arsenal, we could have beaten Chelsea if Solano had tracked Poyet in the semi final. The margins in football are thin, but winning nowt doesn't mean they were shit because they were far from it. We played in the Champs League and qualified for europe twice as often in 15 years as we had done in the previous 30. If Ashley does half as well, those who are still behind him - not saying too many on here are mind - will cream their knicks.

 

When it comes down to it, a few PR gaffes mean fuck all, they never bothered me personally and never will. The same goes for Ashley too, if he was successful or gave it his best shot I wouldn't give a toss what he does, he can do what he likes.

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NUSC needs to decide whether it wants to remain a protest group or a supporters club. It cant be both.

 

Theres nothing wrong with taking a de facto adverseral position - I remember having a chat with Mark Jensen a few years ago outside Upton park (deciding whether to go in as the game was on the point of being called off) when he asked me what I thought of The Mag - I said it had become too much part of the establishment and gave the club an easy ride - he replied that we had nothing to complain about (at the time) to which I said theres always something.

 

Even if Keegan was still here and Ashley had splashed the cash I think there would still have been a place for an "annoying" presence to keep the bastards in line - as it is I have no problem with hassling liars.

 

you're right, quite a lot of people did complain about us qualifying regularly for europe, signing top class players, expanding the stadium and filling it every game.

 

Amazing like. Especially with hindsight.

 

Next time this happens - if it happens - hopefully people might appreciate it a bit more instead of whinging on about the odd PR gaffe which is totally irrelevant when put into context.

 

Most of the time I think you have a point which you overstate but there you're implying everything was always rosy - heres a classic for you - me an my mates being kicked out of our seats for corporate cunts - your constant implication that a half decent team (which won nothing) excuses the shit we STILL had to put up with from Hall and Shepherd is fucking shite.

 

certainly don't think everything was perfect - far from it - but I don't give a rats arse about "shit" from Hall and Shepherd when they back their managers, which is all you want from them. The way Ashley has set about running this club should be ramming that point home.

 

I'm only 7 seats away from the area that was booted out of the middle of the Leazes End, and yes there is no doubt that it was wrong of them to do it.

 

We may have won fuck all, but I wouldn't swap our last decade for someone like say the smoggies who did. We could have won the FA Cup but for the width of a post against Arsenal, we could have beaten Chelsea if Solano had tracked Poyet in the semi final. The margins in football are thin, but winning nowt doesn't mean they were shit because they were far from it. We played in the Champs League and qualified for europe twice as often in 15 years as we had done in the previous 30. If Ashley does half as well, those who are still behind him - not saying too many on here are mind - will cream their knicks.

 

When it comes down to it, a few PR gaffes mean fuck all, they never bothered me personally and never will. The same goes for Ashley too, if he was successful or gave it his best shot I wouldn't give a toss what he does, he can do what he likes.

 

You talk about thin margins - there were two occasions when Shepherd failed to spend that cost us dearly imo - January 2002 and Summer of 2003 - its another of your cliches that they always backed them - they didn't.

 

I think the previous regime was better than Ashley but I have no rosy specs either - they were cunts in it for the money they could screw out of us the same way Ashley is - the only difference is they had a different plan which meant we saw some good football.

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NUSC needs to decide whether it wants to remain a protest group or a supporters club. It cant be both.

 

Theres nothing wrong with taking a de facto adverseral position - I remember having a chat with Mark Jensen a few years ago outside Upton park (deciding whether to go in as the game was on the point of being called off) when he asked me what I thought of The Mag - I said it had become too much part of the establishment and gave the club an easy ride - he replied that we had nothing to complain about (at the time) to which I said theres always something.

 

Even if Keegan was still here and Ashley had splashed the cash I think there would still have been a place for an "annoying" presence to keep the bastards in line - as it is I have no problem with hassling liars.

 

you're right, quite a lot of people did complain about us qualifying regularly for europe, signing top class players, expanding the stadium and filling it every game.

 

Amazing like. Especially with hindsight.

 

Next time this happens - if it happens - hopefully people might appreciate it a bit more instead of whinging on about the odd PR gaffe which is totally irrelevant when put into context.

 

Most of the time I think you have a point which you overstate but there you're implying everything was always rosy - heres a classic for you - me an my mates being kicked out of our seats for corporate cunts - your constant implication that a half decent team (which won nothing) excuses the shit we STILL had to put up with from Hall and Shepherd is fucking shite.

 

certainly don't think everything was perfect - far from it - but I don't give a rats arse about "shit" from Hall and Shepherd when they back their managers, which is all you want from them. The way Ashley has set about running this club should be ramming that point home.

 

I'm only 7 seats away from the area that was booted out of the middle of the Leazes End, and yes there is no doubt that it was wrong of them to do it.

 

We may have won fuck all, but I wouldn't swap our last decade for someone like say the smoggies who did. We could have won the FA Cup but for the width of a post against Arsenal, we could have beaten Chelsea if Solano had tracked Poyet in the semi final. The margins in football are thin, but winning nowt doesn't mean they were shit because they were far from it. We played in the Champs League and qualified for europe twice as often in 15 years as we had done in the previous 30. If Ashley does half as well, those who are still behind him - not saying too many on here are mind - will cream their knicks.

 

When it comes down to it, a few PR gaffes mean fuck all, they never bothered me personally and never will. The same goes for Ashley too, if he was successful or gave it his best shot I wouldn't give a toss what he does, he can do what he likes.

 

You talk about thin margins - there were two occasions when Shepherd failed to spend that cost us dearly imo - January 2002 and Summer of 2003 - its another of your cliches that they always backed them - they didn't.

 

I think the previous regime was better than Ashley but I have no rosy specs either - they were cunts in it for the money they could screw out of us the same way Ashley is - the only difference is they had a different plan which meant we saw some good football.

 

get fed up of hearing about the summer of 2003 to be honest, so many people forget we shelled out 9m for Woodgate in the January and don't give this transfer the credit it deserved.

 

Would it have suited you if they had waited until the summer [and not qualified for the CL, or he had gone somewhere else ?]

 

Who isn't in football for money, what rosy specs is that ?

 

People harping on about these "debts" then complain the club didn't spend in 2003 ........ you can't have it both ways. There is no guarantee if they had spent money they didn't have in 2003 that it would have been spent well either, what then ?

 

I don't know to what degree you think they ought to have backed their managers, but probably only ManU, Chelsea and possibly Liverpool spent more.

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NUSC needs to decide whether it wants to remain a protest group or a supporters club. It cant be both.

 

Theres nothing wrong with taking a de facto adverseral position - I remember having a chat with Mark Jensen a few years ago outside Upton park (deciding whether to go in as the game was on the point of being called off) when he asked me what I thought of The Mag - I said it had become too much part of the establishment and gave the club an easy ride - he replied that we had nothing to complain about (at the time) to which I said theres always something.

 

Even if Keegan was still here and Ashley had splashed the cash I think there would still have been a place for an "annoying" presence to keep the bastards in line - as it is I have no problem with hassling liars.

 

 

Yes, but it aint a democracy, its a private business. You me and noone else has a "right" to attend or ask questions. And yes you can answer but as the fans we deserve..... bla bla bla whatever, but there are no mass demonstrations and only 1% of the match attending fan base are members of nusc so the club can quite rightly tell you to fuck off.

 

In the spirit of "keeping your enemys closer" and all that, there are sometimes more than one way to skin a cat. These 4 members of NUSC currently have the chairmans ear, they are going to waste that opportunity by attending with an aggressive viewpoint and then writing whispers and gossip about james bond and the like.

 

How long do you think he is going to come along and play handbags with NUSC. Either he will tell them to fuck off or just send a subordinate along.

 

Just love irony Al baby

 

In an unrelated post Alex said that Kid Dynamite had to be the biggest contradiction on here, he now officially isnt.

 

You are clearly that, literally three weeks ago you were saying that the NUSC should become free and have 10k members to protest, that we should be protesting and nothing would be gained from talks. Now you say that we are wasting those talks, how exactly do you get that? those that went pushed on questions that the Thompson house journalists didnt have the bottle to ask in their extremely piss weak "interview". The dialogue clearly shows a non-confrontational attitude by the NUSC members yet the total opposite from the managing director of a club these people are fans and customers of.

 

You wonder how long DL will continue to go to these because the NUSC is there, well the answer is at least one more than he would have done if we hadnt been, there was no intention on his behalf to go to these meetings, never has been even before the NUSC and always shied away since, its only through our forcing of the issue and getting ourselves on the panel that there ever was a chance of him being there.

 

If you dont want him to answer questions on the state of the club or why we have a totally bollocks false accounting trasnfer policy then why do you want him to go? Because the meeting can happily move along without him, seeing as all that was previously discussed pre-NUSC days was "how can we sell more pies?" "what would make you buy an extra pint in Shearers?" etc.

 

We got ourselves on there to discuss heavy handed stewarding in Level 7 (something that some people even attempted to slag us off for!).

 

The word "contempt" has never been so apt yet you (an alleged member of the organisation) seems to see it as DLs right to treat that club like it doesnt exist, the use of the words "less than 1% of the fanbase" is remarkably like his putdown yet couldnt be so wrong, 1% is a fairly unheard of number for such a shortlived association. The FSF were amazed to find how many members we had especially as it was a paid subscription and the rate at which the organisation grows is enough to tell you that people are happy with what is happening.

 

You seem to be intent on proving my (and others) original thought that you are a plant, paid (as per the very strong rumours) to supply misinformation and provide the clubs viewpoint. Im just interested to know how much its worth to lose your principles or for that matter actually pretend to be a fan of another club for money.

 

You see pease pud, you perfectly sum up why FANS like me wouldnt come along to the Catholic club and why even in the darkest days of the club with a fan base in the hundreds of thousands, you currently only have a 1000 members.

 

You and some of your "followers" on here can not tolerate anyone who has different views from yourselves. The cry is either Mackem or "Paid" by Ashley. FFS you lot need to grow up and get a pair. Not everyone agrees with everything you say.

 

As for your talk about what I have said previously (and without checking back) I think you will recall that I said IF IF IF IF NUSC wanted to have some real power, it needed to get the membership up and I tried to argue this point to no avail. (Sure Ashley was paying me to try and increase the membership.

 

Fair do's argue the toss over which way to go, but you surprise me stooping so low with your allegations, especially after talking me into joining NUSC in a previous topic.

 

I have joined Newcastle Online 2 weeks ago as Dirk Diggler and if you check my one only post is regarding the Stadium tour. Again Ashley must be fucking fumimg about paid people like me fannying about like that.

 

I am also a member of Tyne Talk member and joined 8th September 2008 in the wake of KK. Here is one of my first points arguing against excepting some fans calls to "move on"

 

Rubbish!

 

This point of view is exactly why this sort of thing will continually go on.

 

We are stuck with some very poor people running this club including Lambias, Ashley, Wise etc.

 

Arsenal dont have this problem, neither do Man u. What about randy learner. Yank billionaire who backs the manager and lets him manage.

 

Be under no illusion, by "moving on" you are saying you are happy for this lot to continue and most importantly bring in a puppet manager which is their intention who will have no control over players coming and going.

 

What makes lambias and wise qualified to pick our players.

 

There is another way.....Long live the revolution.

 

http://www.thefootballnetwork.net/boards/r...086#msg-9667086

 

 

Mike loved that one, got a tip.

 

Do I sometimes talk shit.......Yes

Do I sometimes contradict myself.......Yes

Do I have a different view now to you....Yes

 

Am I one of the sheep on here with their Ashley Paid agent conspiracy theories.........Fuck Off

 

 

There may be a few who post on this topic, but plenty more who read it. Stop being a mug a realise that there are differences of opinion amongst Newcastle Fans.

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It will take time CT. Football fans are no different to people who are apathetic to nealy everything (only 40% of the country vote ffs!!).

 

And they dont all have the same opinion!

 

The problem Parky old chap, is that, at times, some on this forum act like fucking stepford wives with regard to NUSC.

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There is a very amateurish streak that runs through NUSC IMO.

 

But the fact remains, that NOBODY ELSE is doing anything practical about it and it's easy to spout off on an internet forum. The guys and gals putting in their time trying to get this off the ground have my respect. I do think they go about things in a strange way though sometimes and it's halting progress and turning some fans off.

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I think we should all take a step back in regards to how good Bassong is, tbh.

 

The kid's new on the block, and does look good, but there will be a possibility next season of opposition coaches having 'worked him out' and playing on his weaknesses. If that is the case, we could have a completely different player on our hands.

 

Anyway, the above wont apply if we're in the Championship as he will be a newbie all over again to the teams in that league.

 

Sorry for getting off topic a bit.

 

Agree with this. Bassong makes some horrible grabs with his arms. He's been lucky on numerous occassions to have not given away penalties, the way he grabs the arms of the player he is marking. Did the same with the Heskey 'incident' only then the ball was so far ahead and the grab was so plainly obvious that it couldn't be missed.

 

Bassong is a handy player to have, don't get me wrong, he's quick strong and is great at clearing danger. Even if you do all of these it doesn't matter at all if you're just as likely to give away a penalty. If he can get that out of his game he should be a great player for us.

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There is a very amateurish streak that runs through NUSC IMO.

 

But the fact remains, that NOBODY ELSE is doing anything practical about it and it's easy to spout off on an internet forum. The guys and gals putting in their time trying to get this off the ground have my respect. I do think they go about things in a strange way though sometimes and it's halting progress and turning some fans off.

I Agree - but they appear to be taking any criticisms towards them into account. Its a new thing, so it'll take a while to set up but i'm possitive that, provided it keeps going, it'll be a strong supporters group. They're clearly in it to change things for the better, so if nothing else, they have my support for that.

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There is a very amateurish streak that runs through NUSC IMO.

 

But the fact remains, that NOBODY ELSE is doing anything practical about it and it's easy to spout off on an internet forum. The guys and gals putting in their time trying to get this off the ground have my respect. I do think they go about things in a strange way though sometimes and it's halting progress and turning some fans off.

I Agree - but they appear to be taking any criticisms towards them into account. Its a new thing, so it'll take a while to set up but i'm possitive that, provided it keeps going, it'll be a strong supporters group. They're clearly in it to change things for the better, so if nothing else, they have my support for that.

Yes, they do, I agree. It's amazing how normal language sounds really offensive once you're in the public domain. Nobody's going to take the NUSC seriously until it learns the language of diplomacy, at least in public. Saying that, most often they get it right, it's more at the begining when they were venting frustrations that it came across wrong. It's hard to live those reputations down though.

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There is a very amateurish streak that runs through NUSC IMO.

 

But the fact remains, that NOBODY ELSE is doing anything practical about it and it's easy to spout off on an internet forum. The guys and gals putting in their time trying to get this off the ground have my respect. I do think they go about things in a strange way though sometimes and it's halting progress and turning some fans off.

I Agree - but they appear to be taking any criticisms towards them into account. Its a new thing, so it'll take a while to set up but i'm possitive that, provided it keeps going, it'll be a strong supporters group. They're clearly in it to change things for the better, so if nothing else, they have my support for that.

Yes, they do, I agree. It's amazing how normal language sounds really offensive once you're in the public domain. Nobody's going to take the NUSC seriously until it learns the language of diplomacy, at least in public. Saying that, most often they get it right, it's more at the begining when they were venting frustrations that it came across wrong. It's hard to live those reputations down though.

 

I agree totally which is why some of us got our way and changed things round. Moved away from the confrontational aspect and went more diplomatic.

 

As for your post CT then apologies but even you must see that almost everything you post is a direct argument against whatever we do, if we call for protest you argue it should be talks, when we talk to those in charge you make it out as if we were standing there offering the bloke outside yet the stuff you're quoting from says nothing of the sort.

 

We can and have taken criticism for stuff thats been done but its getting fairly tedious when even the good things are picked apart by the same people time after time. Make no mistake there would not be these discussions and the Journal interview if the NUSC did not exist.

 

As for the calling for us to be free so more will join well strangely thats what Llambias says as well, now why do you think he says that? is it because he wants us to be a 10,000 strong group? or because he knows that we will have neither the funds or more importantly the credibility to make a change?

 

 

Oh and Asprilla I agree totally about the amateurish comment, plainly and simply because thats what we are, none of us are experts in these things, none of us are used to producing press releases or working out how to take on a massive company. What we are is passionate about the club and what we believe in, passionate about setting up a proper supporters club and dedicated to making it work. If we could wake up tomorrow and all the shite around the football club was sorted and we could get down to just organising the other supporters club stuff then Id be a happy man but we cant. For now this is hanging over us and needs to be exposed. If it ever achieves change at the club then great but if it doesnt then at least we will know we tried.

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People have to understand it can't be free. It's simple.

 

We need to get a clear opinion of the views of the fans and give it mobility in which to communicate with the club. Firstly, the membership allows the NUSC to operate on a financial level, secondly the view cannot be perverted by outside fans as people having a laugh at our expense aren't going to pay £10 each to do so.

 

You get a car sticker, a badge, a membership card and a keyring man and you also get to give your opinion and make a change! :lol:

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People have to understand it can't be free. It's simple.

 

We need to get a clear opinion of the views of the fans and give it mobility in which to communicate with the club. Firstly, the membership allows the NUSC to operate on a financial level, secondly the view cannot be perverted by outside fans as people having a laugh at our expense aren't going to pay £10 each to do so.

 

You get a car sticker, a badge, a membership card and a keyring man and you also get to give your opinion and make a change! :lol:

 

Dont forget the members benefits and discounts :doh:

 

http://www.nusc.org.uk/benefits.php

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There is a very amateurish streak that runs through NUSC IMO.

 

But the fact remains, that NOBODY ELSE is doing anything practical about it and it's easy to spout off on an internet forum. The guys and gals putting in their time trying to get this off the ground have my respect. I do think they go about things in a strange way though sometimes and it's halting progress and turning some fans off.

I Agree - but they appear to be taking any criticisms towards them into account. Its a new thing, so it'll take a while to set up but i'm possitive that, provided it keeps going, it'll be a strong supporters group. They're clearly in it to change things for the better, so if nothing else, they have my support for that.

Yes, they do, I agree. It's amazing how normal language sounds really offensive once you're in the public domain. Nobody's going to take the NUSC seriously until it learns the language of diplomacy, at least in public. Saying that, most often they get it right, it's more at the begining when they were venting frustrations that it came across wrong. It's hard to live those reputations down though.

Oh and Asprilla I agree totally about the amateurish comment, plainly and simply because thats what we are, none of us are experts in these things, none of us are used to producing press releases or working out how to take on a massive company. What we are is passionate about the club and what we believe in, passionate about setting up a proper supporters club and dedicated to making it work. If we could wake up tomorrow and all the shite around the football club was sorted and we could get down to just organising the other supporters club stuff then Id be a happy man but we cant. For now this is hanging over us and needs to be exposed. If it ever achieves change at the club then great but if it doesnt then at least we will know we tried.

 

The notes of the meeting do look and sound amateurish. Fair enough if they're for private consumption, not if they're published by the NUSC. Wouldn't take much to polish them up imo.

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There is a very amateurish streak that runs through NUSC IMO.

 

But the fact remains, that NOBODY ELSE is doing anything practical about it and it's easy to spout off on an internet forum. The guys and gals putting in their time trying to get this off the ground have my respect. I do think they go about things in a strange way though sometimes and it's halting progress and turning some fans off.

I Agree - but they appear to be taking any criticisms towards them into account. Its a new thing, so it'll take a while to set up but i'm possitive that, provided it keeps going, it'll be a strong supporters group. They're clearly in it to change things for the better, so if nothing else, they have my support for that.

Yes, they do, I agree. It's amazing how normal language sounds really offensive once you're in the public domain. Nobody's going to take the NUSC seriously until it learns the language of diplomacy, at least in public. Saying that, most often they get it right, it's more at the begining when they were venting frustrations that it came across wrong. It's hard to live those reputations down though.

 

I agree totally which is why some of us got our way and changed things round. Moved away from the confrontational aspect and went more diplomatic.

 

As for your post CT then apologies but even you must see that almost everything you post is a direct argument against whatever we do, if we call for protest you argue it should be talks, when we talk to those in charge you make it out as if we were standing there offering the bloke outside yet the stuff you're quoting from says nothing of the sort.

 

We can and have taken criticism for stuff thats been done but its getting fairly tedious when even the good things are picked apart by the same people time after time. Make no mistake there would not be these discussions and the Journal interview if the NUSC did not exist.

 

As for the calling for us to be free so more will join well strangely thats what Llambias says as well, now why do you think he says that? is it because he wants us to be a 10,000 strong group? or because he knows that we will have neither the funds or more importantly the credibility to make a change?

 

 

Oh and Asprilla I agree totally about the amateurish comment, plainly and simply because thats what we are, none of us are experts in these things, none of us are used to producing press releases or working out how to take on a massive company. What we are is passionate about the club and what we believe in, passionate about setting up a proper supporters club and dedicated to making it work. If we could wake up tomorrow and all the shite around the football club was sorted and we could get down to just organising the other supporters club stuff then Id be a happy man but we cant. For now this is hanging over us and needs to be exposed. If it ever achieves change at the club then great but if it doesnt then at least we will know we tried.

 

If you're on their radar (which you are) then you're doing something right. :icon_lol: I acknowledge that it's all new ground for you all and I hope you understand that I'm just trying to say how it looks from the outside when it's going a little wayward. Saying and doing are two very different things and NUSC are doing.

 

Oh and I finally joined today, I got paid for my last job and am now looking forward to my key fob. :icon_lol:

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