Tooj 17 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 I think the academy have to take some credit for Aarons. He can't have been looking like much a few years ago if Bristol Released him. They didn't release him did they? Thought we poached him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30336 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 investment in the academy is without question a good thing but there's not much of an article to be written about its success when its best graduates have been poached from other clubs. I take your point which is why I would say the likes of Southampton have a better strategy than we do. What's more important though? The process or the end result? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13830 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 They didn't release him did they? Thought we poached him. Released when they were in League One apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8977 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 investment in the academy is without question a good thing but there's not much of an article to be written about its success when its best graduates have been poached from other clubs. Would Broccoli count as a product of our academy? We poached him from Arsenal's youth setup. So far the brightest talents have been Aarons (signed at 17), Abeid (signed at 19), Ameobi Jnr, Armstrong, Dummett, wouldn't they all count as products of our youth system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19779 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Would Broccoli count as a product of our academy? We poached him from Arsenal's youth setup. So far the brightest talents have been Aarons (signed at 17), Abeid (signed at 19), Ameobi Jnr, Armstrong, Dummett, wouldn't they all count as products of our youth system? dummet, armstrong and ameobi i would agree with as they came through the ranks. i don't agree with louise taylor though when she argues that (the purchase of players such as) aarons, remi streete, or abeid makes our youth system one of England’s brightest production line. bog standard filler read as part of one of the grauniad's buzzfeed style top ten pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19779 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 I take your point which is why I would say the likes of Southampton have a better strategy than we do. What's more important though? The process or the end result? end product, obviously. i don't really give a shit how it's achieved tbh, but louise taylor suggesting the academy has become a conveyor belt for talent since beardsley's been in charge is just nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19779 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 not that i won't be prepared to tip my hat if pedro goes on to produce a group of graduates to rival man u's class of 92; i just don't see any evidence of it so far. those ten talking points/what we learned pieces have to be filled, and often the bottom instalments are ill-informed space fillers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 not that i won't be prepared to tip my hat if pedro goes on to produce a group of graduates to rival man u's class of 92; i just don't see any evidence of it so far. those ten talking points/what we learned pieces have to be filled, and often the bottom instalments are ill-informed space fillers. Why would Beardsley be doing that? It's Joe Joyce that's head of the academy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13830 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Magpies legend Peter Beardsley was appointed Football Development Manager - a prestigious role helping to drive forward the recruitment of talented youngsters for the club's Academy and Develoment Squad - in October 2011 Reminds me of people who work in call center sales who have crazy job titles like Management Sales Executive CEO or some shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonasjuice 0 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 I once had a Saturday job in Levi's during college, was called a 'Sales Specialist' and had to go to several training days where we discussed and practiced 'The Six Steps to Selling Heaven'. All I ever did was fold jeans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13830 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 I'm fairly sure when I lived in York the council called binmen ''Environmental Engineers'' or something equally absurd! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19779 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Why would Beardsley be doing that? It's Joe Joyce that's head of the academy. Or whatever his role is that Taylor suggested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30336 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 end product, obviously. i don't really give a shit how it's achieved tbh, but louise taylor suggesting the academy has become a conveyor belt for talent since beardsley's been in charge is just nonsense. Yeah, I agree there. I also think you can strike lucky and get a few in and around the first team at one time so it's needs to be happening over a greater timescale before you can read too much into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8977 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 dummet, armstrong and ameobi i would agree with as they came through the ranks. i don't agree with louise taylor though when she argues that (the purchase of players such as) aarons, remi streete, or abeid makes our youth system one of England’s brightest production line. bog standard filler read as part of one of the grauniad's buzzfeed style top ten pieces. I don't agree with her either. Look at Everton and Southampton as true leading lights in the production of young, capable talent. It seems like every year, the blue of merseyside has another international bright young thing. Where does Paul Dummett stack up against the likes of Barkley, Rodwell (He seemed to have bags of potential) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 12756 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Yeah, I agree there. I also think you can strike lucky and get a few in and around the first team at one time so it's needs to be happening over a greater timescale before you can read too much into it. This current lot is a bit like when we had Huntington, Edgar etc. all come in at once when we had a load of injuries. This lot are clearly better than them so give it another 8 years and we might be firing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 dummet, armstrong and ameobi i would agree with as they came through the ranks. i don't agree with louise taylor though when she argues that (the purchase of players such as) aarons, remi streete, or abeid makes our youth system one of England’s brightest production line. bog standard filler read as part of one of the grauniad's buzzfeed style top ten pieces. Aarons and Abied were already good players (they just have that thing) regardless of which academy they ended up at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Yeah, I agree there. I also think you can strike lucky and get a few in and around the first team at one time so it's needs to be happening over a greater timescale before you can read too much into it. Been following LVG's appetitve for throwing kids into the first team albeit as a necessity (you can see one or two of them will become first teamers). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 My old next door neighbour (Bryan Robsons brother) used to play for Gretna iirc. He drove me up to a game once when I was a kid Wasn't one of the Robson brothers on the books at Newcaslte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4201 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Hit them in their pockets and all that, here is a pretty big blow for FIFA in that regard http://online.wsj.com/articles/sony-pulls-world-cup-sponsorship-1416901673 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8977 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) Hit them in their pockets and all that, here is a pretty big blow for FIFA in that regard http://online.wsj.com/articles/sony-pulls-world-cup-sponsorship-1416901673 Coca-Cola has become the first tier-one sponsor of the World Cup to publicly criticize FIFA for its handling of the investigation into corruption over the bidding process for the 2018 tournament in Russia and 2022 competition in Qatar, according to a report in The Sunday Times. FIFA's latest crisis came earlier this month when it published a summary of the report (it says legal restrictions prevent it from releasing the full report), clearing the winning Qatar and Russia bids of any corruption. Shortly after its publication, the summary was disowned by FIFA's own ethics chief Michael Garcia, who said the report had been "misrepresented" by football's governing body, as reported in The Daily Telegraph. Coke has said the handling of the botched investigation has been "disappointing." It is extremely unusual for sponsors to publicly come out against the media they sponsor (they'd much rather just pick up the phone and thrash out issues in private.) But in recent months, sponsors including Adidas, Hyundai, Visa, Sony and Budweiser have all released statements effectively denouncing the negative tenor surrounding FIFA's decision to award the 2022 World Cup to Qatar. It shows just how tense the situation is at FIFA right now and how poisonous association with the football body is becoming. FIFA announced last week it was lodging a criminal complaint with the Swiss attorney general regarding "possible misconduct of individual persons in connection with the awarding of the hosting rights of the 2018 and 2022 World Cups." The Mail on Sunday reports that five officials with connections to FIFA are at the center of the investigation. But FIFA's ethics judge Hans-Joachim Eckert said there was not enough evidence to question the entire bidding process. Awarding the 2022 World Cup to Qatar has been particularly controversial. Qatar said earlier this month it will not be able to keep its promise to hold the 2022 World Cup in the summer — completely disrupting European football seasons and potentially clashing with the Winter Olympics — its original $200 billion construction proposal has already seen 12 stadiums cut to eight, and the country's football body is continually fending off accusations of poor workers' conditions and a mounting death toll, which at the last report stood at around 900. A Coca-Cola spokesman told The Sunday Times: “Anything that detracts from the mission and ideals of the FIFA World Cup is a concern to us. “The current conflicting perspectives regarding the investigation are disappointing. Our expectation is that this will be resolved quickly in a transparent and efficient manner.” Coke has sponsored the tournament since 1974. Its current contract with FIFA lasts until 2022 and is estimated, by sponsorship experts BrandRapport, to be worth £75 million ($117 million) over a four year period (the World Cup takes place every four years.) Some 40% of FIFA's commercial revenue comes from sponsorship, advertising and ticket sales, while the rest comes from TV broadcasting. FIFA reported revenue of $4 billion (£2.4 billion) in the 2011-14 period. The figures highlight just how important the continued financial support of sponsors is to the organization. Adidas, another top tier sponsor of the tournament, which is signed up with FIFA until 2030 with a contract estimated to be worth £95 million ($149 million) over a four year period, has been less damning in its response to the corruption investigation. The sportswear manufacturer told The Sunday Times it was planning to discuss the report with FIFA directly. McDonald's, a tier two sponsor, has said it is "monitoring the situation." Meanwhile, earlier this month Emirates announced it was ending its sponsorship of the World Cup, after an eight year partnership with FIFA. The Dubai airline's contract was due to come to an end in 2014 anyway, but put out a statement saying the decision not to renew was made "following an evaluation of FIFA's contract proposal which did not meet Emirates' expectations." Most people took that to read that Emirates was uneasy about the corruption claims surrounding the bid process for the World Cup, particularly the 2022 tournament held in Dubai. However, the decision may also have been made because the brand is in a far more prominent place than it was back in 2006, and the brand awareness opportunity a World Cup can offer is no longer necessary. Sony's contract also comes to an end this year and the company is also rumored to be the next to opt not to renew. Outside of brand partners, the English, German, Dutch, Belgian, Swedish and Danish football federations have also all criticized FIFA for not publishing the full 350-page corruption report. But despite the very public outcry over FIFA's handling of the World Cup bidding process, most sponsorship experts Business Insider has spoken to don't think a widespread boycott is likely — despite the potential damage to sponsors' brands by being associated with football's governing body if it is found guilty of any wrongdoing, or if anything goes wrong at one of the tournaments. Nigel Currie, director at sports marketing and sponsorship agency BrandRapport told Business Insider: "Unless they all get together to put pressure on FIFA...there's a question of whether sponsors have influence. I think it's unlikely they will all come together. The World Cup is such a valuable property to these brands that they need to be part of it — and if they pull out, their main competitors will be all to glad to step in. "All major sponsorship contracts will have embarrassment or insurance clauses if something significant happens [like the unlikely event that the World Cup was held in a war zone] or if they can prove it has fundamentally negatively impacted on their business." It appears Coke's attack on FIFA may well be a none-too-subtle reminder that these clauses are firmly in place. Hopefully sufficent posturing from the sponsors will embolden the German FA, which should act a a clarion call to the other FAs of major European nations, which subsequently should give UEFA enough cause to take their own action. Edited November 25, 2014 by The Fish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26229 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 https://vine.co/v/O1dVxAFaJrq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8977 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 https://vine.co/v/O1dVxAFaJrq Seen his quotes about Southampton too? Oh and by the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatty 24 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) Just how good might Ryan Taylor have been had he not suffered such wretched luck with injuries? ... extremely good. Making his first Premier League start for two-and-a-half years after undergoing two cruciate ligament repairs, Taylor excelled alongside the Frenchman and the quietly impressive Jack Colback in Alan Pardew’s midfield three. Dangerous at set-piece delivery, efficient at breaking up play and twice almost scoring, Taylor was, as Pardew put it, “pulling the strings”. Then, unchallenged, he crumpled to the turf. Was chasing down a counter when he injured himself, which his oafish misplaced pass instigated. Find this all rather bizarre. The lad is nowhere near as good as being made out, never was and never will be, injury or no injury. His best bet would be to sustain a career ending injury, then people will look back at a player who should have won the ballon d'or were it not for cruel, cruel fate. Edited November 25, 2014 by beatty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19779 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) where's that quote from? looks like something louise taylor might have come up with. taylor was never destined to become an extremely good player. i'd say he's better than most people give him credit for though - he's never been highly rated on this board. i'd like to see more of him in a midfield three, presuming his knee doesn't explode. worth a place in the side if only to stop us having to endure any more set pieces from colback. Edited November 25, 2014 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8977 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Is the praise for him not because of his personality and character? Rather than his ability? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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