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"Ayre believes the Premier League's four biggest global draws – Liverpool, Manchester United, Chelsea and Arsenal – deserve an increased share from 2013, with overseas broadcasting having a greater influence on the Anfield club's financial future than a new stadium. "Personally I think the game-changer is going out and recognising our brand globally," said the Liverpool managing director. "Maybe the path will be individual TV rights like they do in Spain. There are so many things moving in that particular area.

"What is absolutely certain is that, with the greatest of respect to our colleagues in the Premier League, but if you're a Bolton fan in Bolton, then you subscribe to Sky because you want to watch Bolton. Everyone gets that. Likewise, if you're a Liverpool fan from Liverpool, you subscribe. But if you're in Kuala Lumpur there isn't anyone subscribing to Astro, or ESPN to watch Bolton, or if they are it's a very small number. Whereas the large majority are subscribing because they want to watch Liverpool, Manchester United, Chelsea or Arsenal."

 

Here we go. :pirate:

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This is what's going to happen ... and it will ghetto-ise the rest if the league and make all that argument in the "Can't stop looking at the league table" thread irrelevant.

 

Would be the biggest thing to happen to the league since its inception ... and if it went ahead, a European superleague would be a certainty.

 

Not good at all ...

 

This has the potential to be an atomic bomb to all clubs but for the big four and would certainly send some clubs to the grave. It would also effect the money received as parachute payments with relegation and the money received in the lower leagues would drop further.

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at the risk of being accused of any sort of shite agenda going.....here goes......

 

What he says is the truth. If you are a Liverpool supporter, its the scenario you would or should support. If you support someone else, then you would not. But if you are a Liverpool supporter, your own club comes first.

 

This is the sort of owner etc we want owning our own club, and if we had one, then presumably the masses would take a different view.

 

Oh wait a moment........

 

PS I disagree that Liverpool are the 4th biggest club in the country, but they are most certainly the 4th biggest draw [or thereabouts] because they have made themselves that.

 

There is a lesson there somewhere, but I think certain people won't take heed.

 

Whatever.

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Aw poor Liverpool.

 

They've got absolutely loads of money as it is judging by their recent signings.

 

I despise them, truly. More than Sunderland for what it's worth (relatively little as a matter of fact seeing as I'm not a Geordie).

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Aw poor Liverpool.

 

They've got absolutely loads of money as it is judging by their recent signings.

 

I despise them, truly. More than Sunderland for what it's worth (relatively little as a matter of fact seeing as I'm not a Geordie).

 

despise them or not, we should be aspiring to match and beat them rather than the likes of blackburn and Bolton. And not selling them our best players without the managers approval.

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But it's not just Liverpool this is about ... this would have been in the minds of the traditional 'Big 4' ever since Barca and Real Madrid started negotiating their TV rights. The reason Ayre has brought it up now is because of the TV viewing rights decision that's just gone through the European courts (the pub down in Portsmouth).

 

It's really Man U and Liverpool that first have most to gain from this (and Arsenal and Chelsea close behind). While Man City and Spurs have made up ground in the PL in recent times, the most well-known brands are still the old Big 4.

 

I can see Leazes' point that if you're a supporter of one of those clubs, it'd be great. A massive cash bonanza. But it would most certainly be to the detriment to the quality of competition in the league (which is already out of wack).

 

And as NUFC stands at this moment in time, we would suffer negatively.

 

And once the TV rights are established and structured in this way, those teams that receive the big bucks would perpetually do so as it would be neigh on impossible for a club in the middle and lower tiers of global recognition at the moment to make the leap.

 

Even more so than now, we would have an SPL/La Liga situation where it is the same damn teams over and over and over and over again winning the league.

 

The way the PL is structured now, it's difficult for a team to break through as it is. It would become 100 x more difficult if this was to happen.

 

Unless you are a Big 4 supporter, this is bad news.

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Remember when football was a sport? How interesting will the league be if this happens? We already have a problem with the so-called top 4-6. If this happens, they may as well play each other six times a season and call it a league.

 

 

Even if I was a supporter of Liverpool, Man U, Arsenal etc. I wouldn't want to see this happen.

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What you want and what you get are two different things in every walk of life and football is no different. Nobody gives a rat's arse about what is good for the sport or what the average fan wants, especially not the owners.

 

Manure will jump all over this if it ever even looked like getting off the ground.

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What you want and what you get are two different things in every walk of life and football is no different. Nobody gives a rat's arse about what is good for the sport or what the average fan wants, especially not the owners.

 

Manure will jump all over this if it ever even looked like getting off the ground.

 

Yup!

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People will lose interest in Liverpool and move onto Man city etc, most the foreign glory hunter types are fickle I've spoken to lads that went from Man utd to Chelsea to Liverpool then back to Man utd. Agree with others that this is a pish idea and will ruin the league, to be clear is the red dipper wanting those 4 teams to get an equal increased stake or will the increase be based on their popularity meaning Man utd will probably get a fair whack more which would be all the league needs.

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People will lose interest in Liverpool and move onto Man city etc, most the foreign glory hunter types are fickle I've spoken to lads that went from Man utd to Chelsea to Liverpool then back to Man utd. Agree with others that this is a pish idea and will ruin the league, to be clear is the red dipper wanting those 4 teams to get an equal increased stake or will the increase be based on their popularity meaning Man utd will probably get a fair whack more which would be all the league needs.

 

 

If they’re considering following the Spanish model, which I’m pretty sure they are, it’ll mean that each club (all twenty) will be considered on their own ‘merits’.

 

The ‘big’ clubs will each deal with the TV rights owner(s) for overseas distribution. Man U will do it separately from Liverpool, Chelsea etc. Very likely that Man U would benefit the most. Followed, I think, by Liverpool (hence Ayers making the comment in the first place ... I mean, I can’t comment on where PL viewing occurs most [s-E Asia and Africa], but if Australia is anything to go by, there’s still a BIG Liverpool following. [Mind you, that could be because there are a lot of recent arrivals from the UK here.]).

 

Anyway, what would probably happen with the rest of the league is that they wouldn’t have much sway over the matter. In fact, they’ll probably be more likely to have to accept what ever the TV rights owners are willing to give to them.

 

For example, the likes of Man U can bully (let’s say) Skysports, threatening to sign with ESP instead. As such, they’ll sign with whatever TV channel offers the most to Man U.

 

However, for (let’s say) the 16 or so other teams in the league that don’t hold any sway over overseas viewership, Sky or ESPN will give a take-it-or-leave-it type deal that’s likely to be FAR less than what the likes of Man U will be on.

 

I think that the disparity is La Liga is something like that the lower level teams receive as little as 20% as much what Real Madrid or Barca receives.

 

Either way, if you think there’s disparity now ... you ain’t seen anything yet, Baby.

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Correction concerning TV rights money and La Liga.

 

It appears that an amount is considered for the entire league, but within that amount Baraca and RM can bully what percentage they receive.

 

As such, Barca and RM receive 55% of total rights money (which is, I assume, shared 50-50), while the other 18 teams receive a collective deal of the other 45% of total rights money.

 

In other words, the other 18 teams receive fuck-all of the amount, in comparison, that Barca and RM receive.

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The biggest argument against this is the Spanish league itself. The divide between quickly becomes a chasm and the competitiveness of the league suffers as a result.

 

I can't see anything coming of this. Even though there may be some legitimacy to the claims it would not be possible to sustain the league as it is if TV money was dependent upon some arbitrarily constructed 'global profile' rating. It's not something that can easily be quantified. If these sort of changes were to occur it would further spoil the competitive nature of the league and would severely limit the lower structured teams to the point where they could never increase their profile to a level to match without literally throwing away excessive amounts of money.

 

I'm sure Liverpool would love to lock themselves in as one of the big four teams now, before Man City do the same. Most international fans are fickle and will support whoever is on top at the time. That certainly isn't Liverpool, and won't be for the foreseeable future. Manchester City on the other hand are likely to challenge for the title this season and will continue to do so going forward so will naturally grow an international fan base.

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Stuff like this is why football barely interests me anymore. The gap between these "special" clubs and the rest of the league is already unbridgeable. If these changes get made, it's just another nail in the coffin of what has slowly become a ridiculous game.

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Do we still pull in big TV viewing figures?

 

 

I'm sure we're bigger than some (for example, in our Championship season NUFC would be televised overseas far more than other CCC clubs ... meaning that we do have some sort of profile in the larger world), but we would be a minnow compared to Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool etc. viewing figures, esp. when the Big 4 play against each other.

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I know compared to the top 4, but I'd say after that we are still the biggest draw TV wise.

So if it did happen, we mightn't do too badly out of it.

 

It'd be interesting to see the official figures.

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I can't see this coming to fruition, it would need the support of 14 PL clubs. Is that really going to happen?

 

 

Good point ... wasn't aware of that!

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Yep, it needs to be 2/3rds of clubs in agreement to push anything through,

 

 

"We are being shown in 212 countries at the moment so whatever we are being paid, it is not enough.

"There is a negotiation to be had there next time around. [individual rights] is the big issue in Spain at the moment but I've no great feelings about that.

"We'd love to have our own but I don't think it should happen that way. It's quite fair to have all equal shares."

 

Ferguson has it right. I think the top clubs already have an unfair advantage over the ''lesser'' clubs and not even financial fair play is going to do anything to change that. The thing that makes the Premier League more enjoyable than some other leagues is that anyone can beat anyone on their day - more last season than this season.

 

Most of the hype in regards to promotion or relegation is about the money that the TV deals bring and it can really make a club competitive if they play it right whether they are relegated or not.

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To be fair a lot of knowledgeable Liverpool fans aren't happy with it.

 

"The socialism I believe in is everybody working for the same goal and everybody having a share in the rewards. That's how I see football, that's how I see life." Bill Shankly

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