Tom 13847 Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 If we'd kept or replaced Ba we wouldn't be in this mess for certain. Even replacing Lovenkrands and Best would have been nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 We sold Ba and brought in five players though. The team after January was definitely in a much better shape, we just don't have the manager to show us that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19826 Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 We sold Ba and brought in five players though. The team after January was definitely in a much better shape, we just don't have the manager to show us that. Is it Pardew's fault that Shola is the second best striker at the club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3979 Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Is it Pardew's fault that Shola is the second best striker at the club? Yes - he gave him a contract and wants to give him another. It may not be his fault there aren't better options but the fact that it is someone so useless is down to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Point being The players should have had the game sewn up. Pardew can't score the chances he has us set up to create. We had more shots on and off target and the players they fell to didn't capitalise. It was the same Story against Sunderland. If we create a lot of chances but only have the quality to convert what? 8%? Then I assume that people who are critical of the manager expect Pardew to send out a team set up to create at least an extra 10 chances per game. Based on what is therefore needed in a game that has 1 goal in it. Pardew critics, if our chance creation to conversion rate is so poor, for us to win more games we need to create significantly more chances. Given the conversion rate is so low, is this realistic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13847 Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 We sold Ba and brought in five players though. The team after January was definitely in a much better shape, we just don't have the manager to show us that. Does a better manager steer a sitter in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Well aye and I think Pardew deserves a lot of criticism but if we are creating good chances (at a rate that is expected from the games we are playing in) then some of the blame has to be shouldered by the players too. Overall he has had a poor season but if he keeps us up, he deserves another crack at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3205 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 So is it anyones fault we fall apart in the 2nd half? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13847 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Steve Clarke might have had a pretty big say in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 It's a joke man. Norwich, Stoke, West Ham, Wigan, Southampton, Sunderland and Swansea.... All above us in the league but its not Pardews fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 It's a joke man. Norwich, Stoke, West Ham, Wigan, Southampton, Sunderland and Swansea.... All above us in the league but its not Pardews fault. Most of them spent more getting there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke 1 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Does a better manager steer a sitter in? No, but he might do something about poor finishing in training. It's difficult to really blame everything on Pardew due to his lack of influence on transfers but ultimately EVERYTHING is the responsibility of the management of the club. If your players keep missing sitters then coach them to be better finishers or get new players. You don't just say "we'll I've done all I can" and accept that you're always going to need ten shots before one goes in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13847 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 He's not a manager by definition he's a coach. How many managers in the league have one striker capable of playing 90 minutes? I imagine Cisse works on finishing regularly - but at the end of the day - in modern football you need a specialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 To be fair the core of our team is the same as last year, they simply haven't performed for 90 minutes often enough this season. Add that to the fact the strengthening should have been done last summer, and Pardew struggling to outwit the opposition manager quite often this season we would do well to forget the campaign in a hurry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3205 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Whose fault is it we are shit at corners? Whose fault is it we have a huge drop in performance in the 2nd half? Whose fault is it when we always resort to hoofing the ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14587 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Who's responsible for appointing the manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13847 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Whose fault is it we are shit at corners? Whose fault is it we have a huge drop in performance in the 2nd half? Whose fault is it when we always resort to hoofing the ball? Who's fault is it our standards are higher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 6866 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Who's responsible for appointing the manager? We've been (as have most clubs) unrelentingly crap at that forever (with a couple of rare exceptions). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14587 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 All those calling Pardew are reminding me of the Blackburn fans who called Steve Kean all last season.....theyre missing the point by a million fucking miles. 8 year contracts do tend to send a very specific message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3979 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Who's fault is it our standards are higher? Higher than anything approaching decent? I honestly cant remember a period of consistently abysmal set plays in my supporting life - and thats something completely down to the coaching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13847 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Well exactly - we are quite understaffed in that department just as we are in the playing department. There's been some decent corners put in - no doubt about it - Cabaye's have been ok, Marveuax's slightly better but who's getting on the end of them? Who do we have to actually threaten? Cisse can head a ball but only when he's unchallenged. Shola should probably look more dangerous in his cameos but at the end of the day there isn't a proper header of the ball there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14587 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 We've been (as have most clubs) unrelentingly crap at that forever (with a couple of rare exceptions). The peasants are revolting. They've got valid enough reasons. Thing is Ashley has always appointed someone needing a job and who was greatful for the chance. He needs to be as ambitious with his next managerial appointment as he has been with the players who have come to the club. He'll pull the trigger when he needs to, ask Hughton. But as I've said, the 8 year contract sends a message and if we're bobbing along in mid table for most of that it may well suit Ashley very well as he claws back his investment. Then you've got to get someone who would gladly work for Ashley...lets face it, we're not looking upwards, even fuckin Redknapp refused. But people need to realise Pardew didn't give himself the contract. If he's mediocre verging on shit and its got to the point where its time for a change then some people need to start getting the message to the man who appointed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Pardew said in an interview this week he'd like to sort that in summer... hinting at Carroll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13847 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 The peasants are revolting. They've got valid enough reasons. Thing is Ashley has always appointed someone needing a job and who was greatful for the chance. He needs to be as ambitious with his next managerial appointment as he has been with the players who have come to the club. He'll pull the trigger when he needs to, ask Hughton. But as I've said, the 8 year contract sends a message and if we're bobbing along in mid table for most of that it may well suit Ashley very well as he claws back his investment. Then you've got to get someone who would gladly work for Ashley...lets face it, we're not looking upwards, even fuckin Redknapp refused. But people need to realise Pardew didn't give himself the contract. If he's mediocre verging on shit and its got to the point where its time for a change then some people need to start getting the message to the man who appointed him. and the PERFECT time to do that is during a relegation battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13847 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Pardew said in an interview this week he'd like to sort that in summer... hinting at Carroll. Carroll isn't the only header of a ball in the world but I'd take him back. What happened to midfielders who'd win you a header? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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