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[Monkeys Fist 47013]

10 minutes ago, Toonpack said:

 

Agree with a lot of that, but not the last paragraph, the peace talks are a game/front IMO, he'll make some unreasonable demands and when rejected just say "Ukraine doesn't want peace" and on it'll go, sadly the orange shitgibbon will likely buy the story.

 

 

I’m not sure Trump has the stones to actually throw Ukraine to the dogs anymore- his recent rhetoric against Putin suggests so too*
 

*( As much as you can believe a single thing that falls out of TACO’s face anus). 

And, if he did, I honestly think Europe would step up and commit to Ukraine more forcefully. 

[Toonpack 12528]

47 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said:

I’m not sure Trump has the stones to actually throw Ukraine to the dogs anymore- his recent rhetoric against Putin suggests so too*
 

*( As much as you can believe a single thing that falls out of TACO’s face anus). 

And, if he did, I honestly think Europe would step up and commit to Ukraine more forcefully. 

 

I hope so, but Putin has no interest in peace.

[Monkeys Fist 47013]

39 minutes ago, Toonpack said:

 

I hope so, but Putin has no interest in peace.

His primary interest is power, and retaining it. 
If peace is how he does that, he’ll sit down and talk. 
 

He’s going to run out of resources at some point, and also bodies to use the resources. 
Even the basic equipment of warfare- trucks, artillery etc, need some kind of training to use. 
That requires an extensive stock just for training purposes. 
More specialist equipment, like tanks, takes longer to train for, and longer to replace what’s lost in battle. 
What he’s got is out of date and poorly maintained. 

He’ll run out of the gear before he runs out of bodies, but when the number of bodies coming back (or not) gets too big, the plebs will start to question the propaganda, too. 
 

To me, peace is his only real option. 
 

What that peace turns out to be is another question- he could probably fully withdraw and cede all the territory he’s taken, and still spin it as a win back home. 
 

It depends on how hard Ukraine push in any negotiations. 
 

I can see them demanding Crimea be returned as a base of negotiations, then the Donbas region in the east being haggled over. 
 

 

But what do I know, I’m just a trucker who likes filthy mares 

[Toonpack 12528]

18 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said:

His primary interest is power, and retaining it. 
If peace is how he does that, he’ll sit down and talk. 
 

He’s going to run out of resources at some point, and also bodies to use the resources. 
Even the basic equipment of warfare- trucks, artillery etc, need some kind of training to use. 
That requires an extensive stock just for training purposes. 
More specialist equipment, like tanks, takes longer to train for, and longer to replace what’s lost in battle. 
What he’s got is out of date and poorly maintained. 

He’ll run out of the gear before he runs out of bodies, but when the number of bodies coming back (or not) gets too big, the plebs will start to question the propaganda, too. 
 

To me, peace is his only real option. 
 

What that peace turns out to be is another question- he could probably fully withdraw and cede all the territory he’s taken, and still spin it as a win back home. 
 

It depends on how hard Ukraine push in any negotiations. 
 

I can see them demanding Crimea be returned as a base of negotiations, then the Donbas region in the east being haggled over. 
 

 

But what do I know, I’m just a trucker who likes filthy mares 

 

He's like Hitler in 44/45 I think what you say is perfectly rational but Putin's not rational, he won't hand back Crimea because to him it's Russia and it also uses that bridge which was very much his pet project.

 

Nigh on 750k dead Russians already, the bodies going home (or not) aren't making a difference and I suspect won't, it's a great patriotic war 🙄

 

He doesn't just want Ukraine he wants the Baltic states back, he won't stop until he's stopped IMO.

Edited June 2 by Toonpack

[Monkeys Fist 47013]

We’ll have to agree to disagree. 
 

Anyway, I’ve just about hit my yearly quota of contributions to this thread. 
 

I’m off to watch an instructional video on pipe fitting basics before getting my head down. 
 

“ Latina Ho Separates Her Flanges”. 

[wykikitoon 24240]

[PaddockLad 20107]

 

[wykikitoon 24240]

Well done Scotland for rejecting reform

[Alex 38242]

I wouldn’t quite put that slant on it. It’s their best result in a Scottish parliamentary election with 26% of the vote. 

[Rayvin 6639]

If I was the Iranian government, I'd be doing everything I could to get hold of nukes.

[Dr Gloom 24525]

trump apparently didn't even know about the strikes in advance. he's been trying to negotiate a nuclear deal with iran so bibi has fucked him, the war-monger cunt 

[Craig 7928]

What an absolute fucking mess that area of the world is in, but attacking Iran's nuclear sites is bat-shit crazy even by Israel's standards. This will not end well, at all.

[Rayvin 6639]

6 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

trump apparently didn't even know about the strikes in advance. he's been trying to negotiate a nuclear deal with iran so bibi has fucked him, the war-monger cunt 

 

Maybe so but I think we can also backdate some of this to Trump's first term and the scuppering of whatever nuclear arrangement was in place back then. I honestly do wonder if the whole region is safer if everyone has nukes.

 

The only positive here I suppose is that Iran can do fuck all about this really, hard to see how they escalate.

[Dr Gloom 24525]

26 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

Maybe so but I think we can also backdate some of this to Trump's first term and the scuppering of whatever nuclear arrangement was in place back then. I honestly do wonder if the whole region is safer if everyone has nukes.

 

The only positive here I suppose is that Iran can do fuck all about this really, hard to see how they escalate.

I dunno if more nukes make the world safer, particularly with a regime such as Iran which has been fighting proxy wars in the region for years  

[Toonpack 12528]

34 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

trump apparently didn't even know about the strikes in advance. he's been trying to negotiate a nuclear deal with iran so bibi has fucked him, the war-monger cunt 

 

Hmmm, not so sure he didn't know because the yanks pulled all non-essential embassy staff out of several middle east countries yesterday.

[Rayvin 6639]

5 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

I dunno if more nukes make the world safer, particularly with a regime such as Iran which has been fighting proxy wars in the region for years  

 

I would once have agreed with you but what the era of Trump is showing us is that the only way a sovereign state can guarantee its safety is ownership of nukes. Ukraine is the other example. Even India and Pakistan de-escalated pretty quickly out of fear of where that whole thing could lead.

 

There is no chance Iran would ever use a nuke, even via a proxy, without fully expecting to get nuked back - it would never happen. And indeed I would argue that they look quite cautious in a lot of their responses most of the time.

[RobinRobin 13176]

[RobinRobin 13176]

🤣 

[Craig 7928]

Trump calling Israeli strikes 'Excellent', issues Iran with a 60-day deadline to make a deal and refuses to comment on whether the US were involved. 

 

[Rayvin 6639]

Israel has just announced an order to close all their embassies worldwide, and told Jewish communities to be vigilant and remove anything that would identify them as Jewish. How has what they have done made any Jewish people safer, I will never understand this. At every single turn, they've made them more at risk.

 

As for Trump - this chaos is directly on him IMO, it's the direct cost of the US pulling itself back from the global stage. Israel don't seem to give a fuck what he thinks, in fact it sounds almost like he's been steamrollered here and is just catching up after the fact to save face. The cost of having weak fucking leaders man...

[spongebob toonpants 4618]

48 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

How has what they have done made any Jewish people safer, I will never understand this.

It's not about making Isreal safe, it's all about keeping Netanyahu in power.

Same as the whole build up to and response to Oct 7

[Dr Gloom 24525]

3 hours ago, Toonpack said:

 

Hmmm, not so sure he didn't know because the yanks pulled all non-essential embassy staff out of several middle east countries yesterday.

 

yeah, my early take didn't age brilliantly 

[Dr Gloom 24525]

1 hour ago, Rayvin said:

Israel has just announced an order to close all their embassies worldwide, and told Jewish communities to be vigilant and remove anything that would identify them as Jewish. How has what they have done made any Jewish people safer, I will never understand this. At every single turn, they've made them more at risk.

 

As for Trump - this chaos is directly on him IMO, it's the direct cost of the US pulling itself back from the global stage. Israel don't seem to give a fuck what he thinks, in fact it sounds almost like he's been steamrollered here and is just catching up after the fact to save face. The cost of having weak fucking leaders man...

 

see spongebob's reply. bibi doesn't give a fuck about keeping jews safe. 

[Rayvin 6639]

You know, this looks like it might be a proper war. Israel seems very committed to this.

[trophyshy 7673]

Aye.  This is probably the big one. How many rockets does their dome have?