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20 hours ago, Gemmill said:

Well, he did it because he knows that the electorate is largely made up of cock wipes that will judge him for it, and to avoid Daily Mail splashes on how he thinks the Queen is a cunt tomorrow.

 

Yep. Mind, I'm puzzled why they thought a commie loving jew hating marxist would watch the queens speech anyway.

 

 

 

Btw, this Chequers pledge is fucking ridiculous. Why do Labour feel the need to make such ridiculous promises?

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"dirty zio", "hitler was right", "go home and count your money" - FFS. 

it's essential reading for those still on here who are still in doubt about the issue. the evidence submitted also implicates corbyn 

 

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That is genuinely horrific. And, easy for me to say as someone who couldn't give a shit about religion, but to me that is significantly worse than any anti-semitism problem. Like on a different planet worse. 

 

 

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Yes, on balance weighing up 130,000 deaths against any manner of racist verbalisation should be a no brainer in terms of voting, notwithstanding the fact that this is a depressing thing even to write.

 

Having said that, it's hugely dismal reading. I mean there is evidence that Israel actively runs campaigns in this country against relatively anti-Israel MPs, so the stuff that comes from a position of Israel manipulating things behind the scenes is an understandable if tin foil hat response IMO. What isn't understandable or in any way defensible is the active persecution of members of the party simply for reasons such as this. And that dinner conversation about 'subhumans', I mean what in the actual shit is that about. That's hard right kind of talk, it should have no place within Labour whatsoever, even accounting for the political horseshoe of the right and left. Labour simply shouldn't be that extreme.

 

With some 500,000 members, you'd expect certain cases like this to come up, and I guess the claims of entryism around the time Corbyn was elected are at least partially responsible for this. I have no doubt on Corbyn's part that he takes a very dim view of Israel, as any right thinking person should, but if he's in any way involved in actual abuse (which I find hard to believe but I guess you never know) then it's just abhorrent.

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2 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

This is a great idea btw. 

 

https://secure.booktrust.org.uk/donation/

 

Tenner donation and they'll make sure a child in care gets a book for Christmas. Tell whoever is pestering you to do Secret Santa to fuck off and do this instead. 

 

My wife's office is doing Secret Santa this year and she's told her team they're doing similar and donating it to a local homeless charity instead.  I like this idea too.  I have just donated.

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I dont see why you can't do both. ;)

 

We did Sneaky Santa last year which was a lot of fun and made me some money. Team bonding and all that (we do fuck all else).

 

Also, I have dozens of books I could donate rather than waste the planet's resources printing new ones. Nobody wants to read a David Walliams book twice after all (or once for that matter). Any easy way of doing this? 

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I went to a local library earlier this year to give some of my old books.  Fuck me, they're picky as fuck! 

 

Has to be in a certain condition (I get that one and I am fine with that)
Has to be of a certain publish date

Has to be certain authors

etc


Mad! 

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13 minutes ago, Renton said:

I dont see why you can't do both. ;)

 

We did Sneaky Santa last year which was a lot of fun and made me some money. Team bonding and all that (we do fuck all else).

 

Also, I have dozens of books I could donate rather than waste the planet's resources printing new ones. Nobody wants to read a David Walliams book twice after all (or once for that matter). Any easy way of doing this? 

 

Sounds like maybe you don't want to donate. What a fucking Jew! 

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45 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

 

 

That is genuinely horrific. And, easy for me to say as someone who couldn't give a shit about religion, but to me that is significantly worse than any anti-semitism problem. Like on a different planet worse. 

 

 

 

I'm actually struggling with this graph, the more I look at it. Are we saying here that in the first eight years of Labour under Blair, children in temporary accommodation actually rose to levels higher than now exist under the Tories?

 

Obviously I can see the sudden push downwards but the start of the graph is actually fairly worrying in its own right.

 

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6 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

I'm actually struggling with this graph, the more I look at it. Are we saying here that in the first eight years of Labour under Blair, children in temporary accommodation actually rose to levels higher than now exist under the Tories?

 

Obviously I can see the sudden push downwards but the start of the graph is actually fairly worrying in its own right.

 

 

Me too tbh. I don't get the big decline following the 2008 crash either. Maybe something to do with changing definitions? 

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2 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

Me too tbh. I don't get the big decline following the 2008 crash either. Maybe something to do with changing definitions? 

 

I think maybe the assumption is that there's a time delay in effects - people eat through their savings, maybe sporadic surveying of the issue? Clearly the Tories came in and swept out whatever was protecting people, although notably they've gone slow and steady (wisely, for their ends).

 

Still doesn't explain what was going on in early New Labour. Non-priority issue maybe? But then it's a bit rich for us to use that now as a stick to beat the Tories with.

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I guess it's one of those things that takes a while to turn around, so you're seeing the delayed impact of what happened after 1997, a bit like Trump being able to take credit for the economic upturn that's down to the foundations laid by Obama.

 

I could, of course, be talking out of my arse. :lol:

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5 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

Me too tbh. I don't get the big decline following the 2008 crash either. Maybe something to do with changing definitions? 

You mean in the same was as they define rough sleeping?  I.e if the bloke in the car doesnt see it, it doesnt exist.

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2 minutes ago, Meenzer said:

I guess it's one of those things that takes a while to turn around, so you're seeing the delayed impact of what happened after 1997, a bit like Trump being able to take credit for the economic upturn that's down to the foundations laid by Obama.

 

I could, of course, be talking out of my arse. :lol:

 

This was my interpretation too. So I'm guessing we're both right. 

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3 minutes ago, Meenzer said:

I guess it's one of those things that takes a while to turn around, so you're seeing the delayed impact of what happened after 1997, a bit like Trump being able to take credit for the economic upturn that's down to the foundations laid by Obama.

 

I could, of course, be talking out of my arse. :lol:

 

Corbyn has  literally promised to house all rough sleepers within a week of victory hasn't he? Including using Chequers, because a mansion in the depths of Norfolk is definitely a feasible solution. 

 

Anecdotally homelessness is much worse than I've ever seen it. Always been a n issue in London and some other cities, but now Newcastle is a mess. The coast too. 

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Just now, Gemmill said:

 

This was my interpretation too. So I'm guessing we're both right. 

 

Not sure.

 

8 years is a long time even for a time delay. It would explain the 2008-2010 thing maybe, but the 8 years under New Labour, no way. The suddenness with which it turns down as well, strongly suggests that either a new definition was introduced as Renton says, or that they introduced a policy that quickly and effectively started resolving the issue. If it was a slow burner kind, I don't think it would start dropping so suddenly.

 

I reckon no one in Labour was paying any attention to it until around 2005 when they realised it was soaring, maybe following some new research, and then they tried to knock it on the head.

 

If it's a time delay issue spanning nearly a decade, the Tories could simply turn around and say that the effects of the financial crisis are still being felt and that's what is pushing the numbers up now.

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Just now, Renton said:

 

 

Anecdotally homelessness is much worse than I've ever seen it. Always been a n issue in London and some other cities, but now Newcastle is a mess. The coast too. 

 

Same view - it's actually very noticeable, how much worse it has become.

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Got the metro to Whitley the other day and there were people sleeping on the metro bridge in the station. And I started working in the middle of town almost exactly a year ago. Wander around every lunchtime and the number of people sleeping rough is DEFINITELY up noticeably on last year. 

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