Dr Gloom 19826 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, Rayvin said: I've accepted this line for some time, but it's becoming clear to me that actually, those saying it on the right wing are absolute fruitcakes who struggle to summon up a rational thought more than once or twice per day. They "opinion" isn't worth the same as someone who isn't a total cretin. As such, I think we may now be reaching a point where it would be useful to actually see the BBC demonstrating any semblance of pro-left bias. Because the pro-right bias, as is often pointed out, is fairly hard to ignore. plenty on the right are disgruntled with the beeb's alleged leftie bias - in its news reporting as well as panel shows https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/08/02/the-bbc-is-failing-in-its-obligation-to-be-fair/ https://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/john-humphrys-radio-4-retires-bbc-bias-left-wing-liberal-today-programme-a9114711.html https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8772961/bbc-spreading-fake-news/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/13/andrew-neil-attacks-bbc-left-wing-bias-comedy-shows/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: plenty on the right are disgruntled with the beeb's alleged leftie bias - in its news reporting as well as panel shows https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/08/02/the-bbc-is-failing-in-its-obligation-to-be-fair/ https://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/john-humphrys-radio-4-retires-bbc-bias-left-wing-liberal-today-programme-a9114711.html https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8772961/bbc-spreading-fake-news/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/13/andrew-neil-attacks-bbc-left-wing-bias-comedy-shows/ Ok so - the first one tries to make a point about Brexit that I could have had time for, but it turns out it's all anecdotal with no supporting evidence, so I'm disregarding it. Also stress that remain isn't a left wing principle, it's a centrist principle. Second one the same, with the added point that the chap making the claims offers no insight into why the public voted the way it did whatsoever. The Sun, shockingly, actually makes a claim with some supporting evidence - so fair enough the Sun. Still disagree but at least there's an argument to be had about it. Comedy I rather fancy isn't a politically motivated line so much as a market based analysis line. Edited November 22, 2019 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38768 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26352 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Though a quick search shows that the tweet is absolute bollocks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 It does indeed seem to be, even the posts he makes with links to back up his claims. The Tory one seems to have quite a few stories. Also there's no number of search results shown, did he manually count them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38768 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 I’ll stick to Tits and Dad jokes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26352 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 It may have been true 18 months ago when he tweeted it but at the time Tory Islamophobia wasn’t being mentioned anywhere in the media and didn’t appear to be a massive issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Ah. So it's not in fact the tweeter who is spreading fake news, it's MF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19826 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 there is misinformation on all sides, lads. we should be grateful for the beeb. there aren't many news outlets out there with quite the same integrity 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38768 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Dr Gloom said: there is misinformation on all sides, lads. we should be grateful for the beeb. there aren't many news outlets out there with quite the same integrity Don’t listen to him lads, he’s part of a mysterious cabal of north-east media types. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17784 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 I was sceptical about the conservatives breaking into Labour heartlands. Looks like it's happening. It's getting harder to see a Corbyn come back like last time. Depressing doesn't cover it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooner 243 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 hahaha. get out and vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19826 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, Renton said: I was sceptical about the conservatives breaking into Labour heartlands. Looks like it's happening. It's getting harder to see a Corbyn come back like last time. Depressing doesn't cover it. Let’s not wet the bed just yet. Still three weeks to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26352 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 It’s been a Labour seat for over 70 years. If they let the Tories in because of Brexit then they’ve double fucked themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) Yes I saw that too. It's depressing but honestly, we're going to lose some seats like that. It's going to be a weird situation where the middle class left and centre vote Labour out of fear of what the Tories will do to the working class who are voting for them. Edited November 22, 2019 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19826 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Yes I saw that too. It's depressing but honestly, we're going to lose some seats like that. It's going to be a weird situation where the middle class left and centre vote Labour out of fear of what the Tories will do to the working class who are voting for them. Aye Weird situation where two voter groups are voting against their own interests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17784 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: Let’s not wet the bed just yet. Still three weeks to go It does seem very likely Johnson will get an overall majority though, unless something radical happens. But what could that be? They've been caught lying, cheating, being clueless, offensive and are self evidently complete upper class cunts. NOTHING gets through to these voters in the shitholes worst affected by austerity. Literally nothing. They're going down and taking the rest of us with them. Honestly, I'm just hoping Johnson isn't as bad in office as I fear. Pathetic, I know Edited November 22, 2019 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Renton said: It does seem very likely Johnson will get an overall majority though, unless something radical happens. But what could that be? They've been caught lying, cheating, being clueless, offensive and are self evidently complete upper class cunts. NOTHING gets through to these voters in the shitholes worst affected by austerity. Literally nothing. They're going down and taking the rest of us with them. Honestly, I'm just hoping Johnson isn't as bad in office as I fear. Pathetic, I know I think that's a slim hope - the Tories are being unashamed about their views now, and I think that will pervade the next government. Brexit is the carte blanche they need to get anything they want. I think releasing the Russian papers might help us, if somehow, someone can be compelled to do it. Other than that, I think we have to rely on the mother of all grassroots campaigns from Labour. The Lib Dems certainly don't appear to be about to do us any favours particularly. I'm moving to Scotland just after the election in anticipation of the inevitable divorce in a couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17784 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 14 minutes ago, Rayvin said: I think that's a slim hope - the Tories are being unashamed about their views now, and I think that will pervade the next government. Brexit is the carte blanche they need to get anything they want. I think releasing the Russian papers might help us, if somehow, someone can be compelled to do it. Other than that, I think we have to rely on the mother of all grassroots campaigns from Labour. The Lib Dems certainly don't appear to be about to do us any favours particularly. I'm moving to Scotland just after the election in anticipation of the inevitable divorce in a couple of years. I'd still maintain the LDs are after the soft conservatives. Trouble is, Swinson is turning out to be pretty unlikeable.the more people see, the less they like. But if they don't put a dent in the conservatives down south it'll be even worse. Johnson doesn't seem to have an idealistic bone in his body, he just wants power. Honestly don't know where that will take us. We either choose relatively close ties with Europe or we go all out to be the 51st state. It's essentially a dichotomous choice. It looks like the latter right now which is literally the worst outcome I could ever have imagined. Dunno about Scotland. If the secede, the economic shock will be horrendous. I can see major trouble ahead in all scenarios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Just now, Renton said: I'd still maintain the LDs are after the soft conservatives. Trouble is, Swinson is turning out to be pretty unlikeable.the more people see, the less they like. But if they don't put a dent in the conservatives down south it'll be even worse. Johnson doesn't seem to have an idealistic bone in his body, he just wants power. Honestly don't know where that will take us. We either choose relatively close ties with Europe or we go all out to be the 51st state. It's essentially a dichotomous choice. It looks like the latter right now which is literally the worst outcome I could ever have imagined. Dunno about Scotland. If the secede, the economic shock will be horrendous. I can see major trouble ahead in all scenarios. Sure, but if Scotland secedes and joins the EU, I can then leave Scotland and go somewhere else. Agree on LDs, but I'm not sure it's working. If Johnson takes straight out of the Trump playbook, it can only get worse from here IMO. The added difficulty will be that those who voted for him, based on the Brexit fiasco, will just double down. Even when their lives are falling apart around them, they will double down. We've learned this much. They lack the emotional maturity and sense of self to be able to actually learn from anything. Eventually, I think we have to conclude that this just isn't worth it. If the EU makes rejoining it on an individual basis even remotely accessible, I'm gone. Fuck this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26352 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 @Christmas Tree Remind is again why you think that the Tories are on your side? https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/revealed-the-elite-dining-club-behind-130m-donations-to-the-tories/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26352 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Corbyn confirms that he’ll be neutral in a future referendum if PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) Good. Fucking sensible position and finally it will remove this stupid notion that he doesn't have a clear stance. Edited November 22, 2019 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26352 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 I thought Corbyn did very well there. Seems better when he doesn’t have a bare faced liar standing behind him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 That's good to hear. Will be interesting to see how Johnson does... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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