ChezGiven 0 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 How about stopping IS leaders from being able to communicate with people in France? Why does e.g Twitter etc allow IS to use their service? Is it because the authorities prefer to be able to monitor? Never understood why they don't just shut down the Internet into ISIS controlled areas. Presume there is some reason but if messages are inspiring these acts then surely stopping the message would be important? Formally identified the attacker now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34622 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Probably right. And yet events Luke this will have a profound effect on politocs. Le Pen will be rubbing her claws.Alright Officer Crabtree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 How about stopping IS leaders from being able to communicate with people in France? Why does e.g Twitter etc allow IS to use their service? Is it because the authorities prefer to be able to monitor? Never understood why they don't just shut down the Internet into ISIS controlled areas. Presume there is some reason but if messages are inspiring these acts then surely stopping the message would be important? Formally identified the attacker now. They'd just transport their "message" to another country to get it out as Bin Laden and his people used to do from their caves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 They'd just transport their "message" to another country to get it out as Bin Laden and his people used to do from their caves. Fair enough but it's about as mainstream as they come at the minute. Twitter certainly should be nowhere near them, quite surprised to hear that they are, actually. Bound to be something they can do with respect of the internet, although you'd likely need full international agreement on it. At this point I'd support an internet dead zone around all ISIS controlled or influenced territories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26456 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 They don't exactly have a verified IS account, do they? With satellite technology I'd imagine it's impossible to block internet communications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17828 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Fair enough but it's about as mainstream as they come at the minute. Twitter certainly should be nowhere near them, quite surprised to hear that they are, actually. Bound to be something they can do with respect of the internet, although you'd likely need full international agreement on it. At this point I'd support an internet dead zone around all ISIS controlled or influenced territories. It'd have the added bonus of putting off westerners joining them. "Raping women, torturing infidels. Get in! What, no internet? Fuck this for a game of soldiers" . More seriously though, I'm sure I heard somewhere that's it's not an easy thing to do technically. I personally doubt it'd do much good now anyway. Europe is infected at source, in its own communities. It's not going to stop now. Having said that, worth giving it a go if it's possible I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/nice-attacks-isis-lorry-attack-twitter-terrorism-pray-for-nice-france-massacre-a7138136.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 They don't exactly have a verified IS account, do they? With satellite technology I'd imagine it's impossible to block internet communications. Kilafa news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 It'd have the added bonus of putting off westerners joining them. "Raping women, torturing infidels. Get in! What, no internet? Fuck this for a game of soldiers" . More seriously though, I'm sure I heard somewhere that's it's not an easy thing to do technically. I personally doubt it'd do much good now anyway. Europe is infected at source, in its own communities. It's not going to stop now. Having said that, worth giving it a go if it's possible I suppose. Also each attack reviewed in detail on 24 hour news worldwide is the biggest advert they could hope for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 That bit is definitely true, although maybe it also puts people off. You never know. Hard to look at this from any angle and consider it as something to be glorified, I would think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3209 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 I personally think there are two types of Islamic terrorists. Those at the top who are just sick cunts who get visceral pleasure from seeing people die and the power it gives them and those at the bottom who have been brain washed into this kind of act and who have probably never read the whole of the quran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 That bit is definitely true, although maybe it also puts people off. You never know. Hard to look at this from any angle and consider it as something to be glorified, I would think. You'd be wrong. Just look at what Chez posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 You'd be wrong. Just look at what Chez posted. Sorry yes, I know I'm wrong automatically by virtue of the fact that these things keep happening - badly worded. I meant that I wonder if there are some potential terrorists who look at the devastation from the fall out of this sort of chaos and just think 'fuck it, not going to be responsible for that'. Ultimately though, if they weren't getting the attention, it probably wouldn't be happening. Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Their message doesn't get out because of mass atrocities once every 6 months. Their message disseminates through the Internet and it's a complex message based on complex propaganda. Not 'ha ha we blew everyone up and they can't stop us, look at the terror on their faces'. That's not the message and it's the message that is the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 "He was known to the police for violence, and using weapons, but had no direct links with terrorism," said an investigating source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PaddockLad 14635 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 (edited) Frank Partridge on BBC world says the biggest problems are young Moslems in France being jailed for petty crime and coming out fully fledged jihadists. Also mentions French basically stopping Islamists taking over complelty in Mali and easy access to France for these bstrds due to EU open borders... Edited July 15, 2016 by PaddockLad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Their message doesn't get out because of mass atrocities once every 6 months. Their message disseminates through the Internet and it's a complex message based on complex propaganda. Not 'ha ha we blew everyone up and they can't stop us, look at the terror on their faces'. That's not the message and it's the message that is the problem. Their message gets out in lots of ways. The warning in April of planned summer attacks in Southern France, Italy and Costa de sol came from Africa. The point about the news coverage (not that I'm suggesting it's blocked), is that it will be celebrated by ISIS terrorists / wannabes all around the world and allows them to see how easy it was carried out and how devastating the results. I must confess I'd never given any thought to this type of attack or how horrific the casualties could be. Likewise their will be terrorists who can't get hold of automatic weapons but can easily get their hands on a lorry. I'm not meaning to argue about this btw, I've stayed on promenade des Anglais and loved the place and just feel very pissed off this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 I must confess I'd never given any thought to this type of attack or how horrific the casualties could be. Likewise their will be terrorists who can't get hold of automatic weapons but can easily get their hands on a lorry. http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/14/opinions/truck-attacks-tactic-analysis-bergen/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30455 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 It's got to the point where, when I heard about this, I didn't even want to hear the deatails. It's impossible not to anyway but it's just so depressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17828 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Their message gets out in lots of ways. The warning in April of planned summer attacks in Southern France, Italy and Costa de sol came from Africa. The point about the news coverage (not that I'm suggesting it's blocked), is that it will be celebrated by ISIS terrorists / wannabes all around the world and allows them to see how easy it was carried out and how devastating the results. I must confess I'd never given any thought to this type of attack or how horrific the casualties could be. Likewise their will be terrorists who can't get hold of automatic weapons but can easily get their hands on a lorry. I'm not meaning to argue about this btw, I've stayed on promenade des Anglais and loved the place and just feel very pissed off this morning. Aye, I can remember my driving instructor warning me that a car is a lethal weapon and it turns out he's right. Impossible to stop crimes like this if the person is motivated. Always wondered what's to stop someone dropping a concrete sleeper onto a high speed railway line too. Plenty of low tech ways to massacre people. So we can't stop the method, but what about the motive? What's to be done, seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30455 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Their message gets out in lots of ways. The warning in April of planned summer attacks in Southern France, Italy and Costa de sol came from Africa. The point about the news coverage (not that I'm suggesting it's blocked), is that it will be celebrated by ISIS terrorists / wannabes all around the world and allows them to see how easy it was carried out and how devastating the results. I must confess I'd never given any thought to this type of attack or how horrific the casualties could be. Likewise their will be terrorists who can't get hold of automatic weapons but can easily get their hands on a lorry. I'm not meaning to argue about this btw, I've stayed on promenade des Anglais and loved the place and just feel very pissed off this morning. You're right. How can this not be newsworthy though? I appreciate you're not arguing it shouldn't be, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 So we can't stop the method, but what about the motive? What's to be done, seriously? I googled that earlier for some inspirational hope. Take your pick. http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/10-alternative-ways-to-defeat-isis-that-arent-air-strikes--WknFKxYmqg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Their message gets out in lots of ways. The warning in April of planned summer attacks in Southern France, Italy and Costa de sol came from Africa. The point about the news coverage (not that I'm suggesting it's blocked), is that it will be celebrated by ISIS terrorists / wannabes all around the world and allows them to see how easy it was carried out and how devastating the results. I must confess I'd never given any thought to this type of attack or how horrific the casualties could be. Likewise their will be terrorists who can't get hold of automatic weapons but can easily get their hands on a lorry. I'm not meaning to argue about this btw, I've stayed on promenade des Anglais and loved the place and just feel very pissed off this morning. Their message is not the attacks, it's the complex propaganda and some efforts could be made to stop that. Warnings of attacks are not the message either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0US1TA20160114 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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