Terrorism

[Christmas Tree 3997]

Their message is not the attacks, it's the complex propaganda and some efforts could be made to stop that. Warnings of attacks are not the message either.

You might be right but to me, the propaganda / cause is already out of the bag. These low life criminals that seem to carry out a lot of this are not relying on complex messages.

 

And

 

* just going on information I've heard on the news *

 

France and Belguim seem to have problems with "Muslim" areas that are no go areas for police. Apparently such areas in Nice as well. So a lot of this hatred will be festering / discussed regularly.

[Happy Face 29]

You might be right but to me, the propaganda / cause is already out of the bag. These low life criminals that seem to carry out a lot of this are not relying on complex messages.

 

And

 

* just going on information I've heard on the news *

 

France and Belguim seem to have problems with "Muslim" areas that are no go areas for police. Apparently such areas in Nice as well. So a lot of this hatred will be festering / discussed regularly.

Donald Trump has said the same about London.

[Renton 17828]

Donald Trump has said the same about London.

Which is false but does not mean this is.

 

Honestly, I don't want to see any disturbing images of this yet even on the BBC I've just seen the covered body of a young girl next to a toy doll. It's Fucking with my head this, don't understand why it's on the site without a warning.

 

I fear that sooner or later there will be a massive backlash against Muslim communities in France.

[Rayvin 4964]

I fear that sooner or later there will be a massive backlash against Muslim communities in France.

 

I'm actually a bit surprised we're not there yet already...

 

It actually speaks very well of Western civilisation that there isn't.

Edited July 15, 2016 by Rayvin

[Happy Face 29]

I'd be interested to read creditable sources that report on these no go zones.

 

If you genuinely fear a backlash on Muslim communities though, then to me it seems dangerous to disseminate myths that mass murders are shared values among wider Muslim groups rather than only among dangerous individuals finding each other online and radicalising one another.

[Renton 17828]

I'd be interested to read creditable sources that report on these no go zones.

 

If you genuinely fear a backlash on Muslim communities though, then to me it seems dangerous to disseminate myths that mass murders are shared values among wider Muslim groups rather than only among dangerous individuals finding each other online and radicalising one another.

Is this in some way aimed at me? I'm not advocating nor do I want a back lash, and as far as i am aware I'm not disseminating any myths. Regardless, I fear it will happen and I understand why. I honestly fear the indiscriminate slaughter of children may tip the balance thus time. Hope I'm wrong, but we can't exist in this state forever.

[Christmas Tree 3997]

I'd be interested to read creditable sources that report on these no go zones.

 

If you genuinely fear a backlash on Muslim communities though, then to me it seems dangerous to disseminate myths that mass murders are shared values among wider Muslim groups rather than only among dangerous individuals finding each other online and radicalising one another.

I'm only going off what I've heard on normal news so happy to be wrong, but I think after the Paris attacks the Belguim PM said they had lost control of Molonbeek? Dunno.

[Rayvin 4964]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-terror-attacks-visiting-molenbeek-the-police-no-go-zone-that-was-home-to-two-of-the-gunmen-a6735551.html

 

Molonbeek doesn't sound like a police no go zone from this report (given that it mentions that Police patrol it), but that said, seems to be the source of Belgium's Islamist problems.

 

I honestly think the existence of these little communities and the failure to create true integration is a significant problem.

Edited July 15, 2016 by Rayvin

[Renton 17828]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-terror-attacks-visiting-molenbeek-the-police-no-go-zone-that-was-home-to-two-of-the-gunmen-a6735551.html

 

Molonbeek doesn't sound like a police no go zone from this report (given that it mentions that Police patrol it), but that said, seems to be the source of Belgium's Islamist problems.

 

I honestly think the existence of these little communities and the failure to create true integration is a significant problem.

It's a huge problem. In the UK as well. Ghettoisation and failure of integration is the most significant problem imo. I know HF disagrees and I'm not up for debating it today. Fortunately I'm off to the lake district next week and will be largely out of internet connection so will avoid retreading the same old ground!

[trophyshy 6434]

[Happy Face 29]

Is this in some way aimed at me? I'm not advocating nor do I want a back lash, and as far as i am aware I'm not disseminating any myths. Regardless, I fear it will happen and I understand why. I honestly fear the indiscriminate slaughter of children may tip the balance thus time. Hope I'm wrong, but we can't exist in this state forever.

No it was aimed at CT. You only defended his right to make claims he himself said were not well researched.

 

The claim that "a lot of this hatred will be festering / discussed regularly" in regards to an entire town that has allegedly been subsumed by extremism is dangerous.

 

Blokes like the idiot that did this arent popular and well regarded members of a wide community with similar evil intent. They're very secretive about the extent of their hatred and their inclination to act on it. They would rarely voice any inclination to do so outside of anonymous interaction on extremist websites.

 

The general population of any majority Muslim towns would have no more time for such a heinous attack as we would.

[Anorthernsoul 1221]

My partner in crime at work has just found out one of his neighbours was killed last night, she was on holiday with her family.

 

RIP.


Sadly I can't see an end to this in France and mainland Europe, hatred is endemic and the freedom of movement allows an easier passage to martyrdom. What also should be said is how incompetent foreign intelligence units seem to be, every attack in recent years has been carried out by known extremists who are "On their radar", yet they allow it to happen time and time again.

[Happy Face 29]

Was this not a French geezer with no link to terrorism?

[ewerk 26456]

Aye

[Christmas Tree 3997]

Was this not a French geezer with no link to terrorism?

I don't think they know yet. Probably have to go through his online activity first.

[Anorthernsoul 1221]

I read this morning he was known to police, then just reading an updated article now they are saying he has was known but no links to terrorism. It seems very odd to massacre so many people with a vehicle because your wife left you?

 

There must be more to it.

[Kid Dynamite 5941]

Hollande's response? We will intensify our attacks in Syria

 

I appreciate he has to say something but how is that going to stop an African born French national? It's just a vicious circle.

 

Bomb us? We will bomb you back twice as hard. All it achieves is dead civilians and more radicals. There must be something else we can look at because this plan clearly isn't working g

[Christmas Tree 3997]

Only watched about 12 mins in but pretty depressing stuff the people on the march having those attitudes.

 

I know we have the EDL and their "view" scales down the further you go into society. I wonder if it's similar on the Muslim side.

 

I'm not a racist but......

 

Not sure how I feel living among people who think we are the scum of the earth and destined to burn in hell. Not sure what you do about it.

[Monkeys Fist 38828]

A hive of radical Muslims, is it then, Boldon?

 

[Christmas Tree 3997]

A hive of radical Muslims, is it then, Boldon?

 

[Howmanheyman 26956]

A hive of radical Muslims, is it then, Boldon?

 

 

CT's standard interaction with Muslims:

 

"Loaf of bread and a pint of milk, please, Chief."

[Christmas Tree 3997]

True

[Monkeys Fist 38828]

CT's standard interaction with Muslims:

"3 large donners, chips, and a duck pizza, please, Chief."

'd your post.

[Happy Face 29]

I don't think they know yet. Probably have to go through his online activity first.

If they do make a link retrospectively, he still won't have been known to have links to terrorists ahead of the attack.

[Rayvin 4964]

Only watched about 12 mins in but pretty depressing stuff the people on the march having those attitudes.

 

I know we have the EDL and their "view" scales down the further you go into society. I wonder if it's similar on the Muslim side.

 

I'm not a racist but......

 

Not sure how I feel living among people who think we are the scum of the earth and destined to burn in hell. Not sure what you do about it.

 

I've watched the whole thing (was genuinely curious and I'm grateful that you posted it) and it does have a series of much more open and approachable Muslims, prepared to talk about their beliefs, prepared to condemn those that carry out these attacks, and also prepared to accept and respect the laws of the land they live in.

 

One of the Muslim women mentions that 'if you kill another, you kill all of humanity' and states that she doesn't understand where the extremists get their ideas from. In fairness, from what I gather, the extremists get their ideas from the Qu'ran - but even so.

 

It's not all bad is what I'm saying, and they make mention of the fact that those at that march represent only 100ish out of 30,000 Muslims in Luton.

 

Looking at the different viewpoints, I did actually feel that it was harsh to expect moderate Muslims, who sound a lot like typical Christians, to somehow police the extremists. They looked uncomfortable discussing them, and some of the moderates even looked scared to do so. While I still think better integration would be an good idea generally, I'm not sure it would combat extremism after all.

 

Anyway, that was interesting so thanks.