adios 717 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Aye but Lascelles is the player he is thanks in part to Rafa. If we get another decent young prospect for him to develop then who knows. Or two. Very good point. Just remembered what he did with Carragher too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 We bought Lascalles for £3 million so i'd imagine Ashley being overjoyed to get £50+ million. The thing is its ok saying we could get a couple of defenders to replace him but he really is the backbone of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 If Sissoko is worth £35m, Ashley should be holding out of £1b tbh. :drevil: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 'Whatever money you generate Rafa,you can have for incoming transfers,including wages,relocation costs,agent fees etc' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 13 minutes ago, trooper said: We bought Lascalles for £3 million so i'd imagine Ashley being overjoyed to get £50+ million. The thing is its ok saying we could get a couple of defenders to replace him but he really is the backbone of the team. Aye but that's just football. If he played for Liverpool and someone came along and offered them £50m then yeah, they could probably turn that down. But £70m? £100m? No matter who was in charge of us, based on where we are in the league, £50m would see Lascelles away. And it's more than enough to replace him with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 He's been absolutely class this season has Rafa. There isn't a manager around that could do a better job in these circumstances. Not Guardiola, Pochettino, Klopp, Mourinho. No cunt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 6434 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 3 hours ago, PaddockLad said: Latest missive from Rafas representative on earth M. Hardy Esq. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/newcastle-southampton-rafa-benitez-storm-clouds-clearing-set-on-right-path-a8250646.html?amp&__twitter_impression=true Quote There has to be patience. Fuck off man. Newcastle fans have more patience than the NHS FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rayvin 4964 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Was just reading a comment BTL on the Guardian's match report from our game at the weekend, and one guy pointed out the following: Great win for Newcastle, though probably the easiest of the season. There's a fascinating stat out there. The first ten games of the season, where Lascelles played the 90, we got 14 points. For the next six, when he was injured, we got 1 point. Since he's returned, we've picked up 17 points from 14. So 1.3 points per game WITH Lascelles, 0.2 points per game WITHOUT. To put that into context, we'd be on for 49 points over a season with Lascelles playing. And in that spell without him, we had some very winnable games - WBA away, Watford, Everton and Leicester at home. 49 points would have us 6th, above Arsenal. So for all I'm saying Lascelles is replaceable at £50m, this is a good argument that I could be totally fucking wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30409 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 (edited) Don't know if someone else posted that on here or if I saw that stat somewhere else at the weekend. But I think he makes a massive difference because he's a good defender who has improved under Benitez but also the way we play means that we're usually only going to nick a game by a goal so the margins are that little bit tighter making defence even more important for us. I think Clark and Lejeune are both better alongside him too. Dummett (as I think has been mentioned elsewhere) was also a miss when he was out and helps make the defence a lot tighter. Even a win in one of those games and we'd be all but safe now. Edited March 12, 2018 by Alex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Ah apologies if I'm repeating something someone else said.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, Alex said: Don't know if someone else posted that on here or if I saw that stat somewhere else at the weekend. But I think he makes a massive difference because he's a good defender who has improved under Benitez but also the way we play means that we're usually only going to nick a game but a goal so the margins are that little bit tighter making defense even more important for us. I think Clark and Lejeune are both better alongside him too. Dummett (as I think has been mentioned elsewhere) was also a miss when he was out and helps make the defence a lot tighter. Even a win in one of those games and we'd be all but safe now. Agree on how he improves the players around him for certain though. Surety of self and confidence I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Ah apologies if I'm repeating something someone else said.. Outrageous behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Especially in the Benitez thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Well, you know how I love to apologise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Aye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Just got around to reading the article above. Seems like (given Hardy's position as Rafa's mouthpiece) he's (Rafa) making public amends for previous statements in the realisation that the takeover isn't happening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerbarton 24 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 1 hour ago, adios said: Outrageous behaviour. Disgusting. It was me posting it both times. I want my fee. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerbarton 24 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 As for Lascelles, he's come on so much under Benitez. Even last season, when he was carrying that injury, there were some doubts about his ability to cut it in the PL. Now he looks to be by far our most important player. We'd definitely take £50m but it's another situation where he's probably worth more. Remember he's an incredibly influential captain as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, rogerbarton said: Disgusting. It was me posting it both times. I want my fee. Sorry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19824 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 1 hour ago, adios said: Outrageous behaviour. bannable offence tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19824 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 17 minutes ago, rogerbarton said: As for Lascelles, he's come on so much under Benitez. Even last season, when he was carrying that injury, there were some doubts about his ability to cut it in the PL. Now he looks to be by far our most important player. We'd definitely take £50m but it's another situation where he's probably worth more. Remember he's an incredibly influential captain as well. i love him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30409 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 36 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12456 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 6 hours ago, rogerbarton said: As for Lascelles, he's come on so much under Benitez. Even last season, when he was carrying that injury, there were some doubts about his ability to cut it in the PL. Now he looks to be by far our most important player. We'd definitely take £50m but it's another situation where he's probably worth more. Remember he's an incredibly influential captain as well. Agreed, Ashley will snap someone’s arm off for that but it’ll weaken us even if we spent the full amount. We’ve not had a defender as influential on the back line since Woodgate. Rafa clearly deserves a lot of credit but after being among his critics I give Lascelles a lot of the plaudits now, we looked as shaky as we usually look in defence with the Clark and Lejuene pairing (our heaviest defeats the 4-1 loss to Man Utd and the 3-0 to Watford both were without Lascelles). I suppose the hope is that a takeover will happen from an ambitious group and we can build around Lascelles, otherwise if he carries on with this trajectory it’s hard to see how a Mike Ashley owned team would have him much longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 3659 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 I’m a Lascelles fan (and lejuene/Clarke tbh) but all of them are limited. The shape we play and amount of drilling Rafa puts in makes them look better than they are imo. Still rather have these lads who are looking to improve and try hard than previous over the hill cunts mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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