PaddockLad 14997 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 (edited) I think that just highlights that this is a pan-Western issue, not one specific to an individual state. The Neoliberal consensus is dying on its arse. We need to be ready to put forward policies that actually improve people's lives when the next chance to do so comes. This is what I've had to try and explain to the brexiters at work, I don't really disagree with their claims about why,who and how we are being royally shafted. However when I suggest a massive lurch to the right is highly unlikely to give them what they want I'm just referred to, in a highly original turn of phrase, as a "remoaner" But they just want to hear what they want to hear..... Edited January 20, 2017 by PaddockLad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4981 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 I'm of the opinion that we need to treat these people like children a bit, and let them 'win this one'. And then be on their side next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 (edited) Already signing Executive orders, ripping Obama's legacy to shreds. Edited January 20, 2017 by Anorthernsoul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 27044 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/20/14338640/donald-trump-website-whitehouse-gov-speech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 20232 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 [tweet] [/tweet] Pretty much exactly how it went. You have to laugh or you'd cry but I agree with Renton. A chilling, xenophobic address, which was inward looking, nationalist and full of anger. He made the US sound like a war zone instead of the richest country in the world. And he made it clear he's about to lunch protectionist trade policies. He even used the word protection. And we all know how great that worked out the last time that happened in the 30s. He's basically tearing up the post war consensus that was designed by the US and led by them ever since. Those who thought he might pivot and turn more presidential should think again. Deeply troubling. As for draining the swamp, his cabinet is the richest in history. What a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 It should also be noted that his cabinet pick for education is a woman who said that teachers should have guns in classrooms, when pressed for a reason she cited grizzly bears she was then informed there has never been a grizzly bear attack in a US classroom. She also had no clue that the federal IDEA act was federal and kept saying it should be left up to the states to decide. Shambolic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 27044 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 She also doesn't know how to use the word historical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Who needs so called experts though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 20232 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 So after failing to take questions from reporters he doesn't like, the next step is clearly to deny protesters entry to the country http://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/20/womens-march-canada-protesters-denied-entry-us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 36075 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 So after failing to take questions from reporters he doesn't like, the next step is clearly to deny protesters entry to the country http://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/20/womens-march-canada-protesters-denied-entry-us Well wtf, don't tell the border guards you're coming to protest the ceremony for the new president. Dozy bints. I mean anyone that's been through a US airport knows that the people on those desks think they're defenders of the realm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Well wtf, don't tell the border guards you're coming to protest the ceremony for the new president. Dozy bints. I mean anyone that's been through a US airport knows that the people on those desks think they're defenders of the realm. Was just about to say, they gave those blokes reason to use their power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 36075 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 "Yeah we're headed to Washington to protest. And we brought a couple of the old surrender monkeys to help out." Well guess what girls. You're going home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) "Yeah we're headed to Washington to protest. And we brought a couple of the old surrender monkeys to help out." Well guess what girls. You're going home. Aye I mean these are blokes that spend twenty minutes scrutinizing the passports of children going to Disney on holiday, they're hardly going to be that welcoming of foreigners coming in to protest the inauguration of the President, especially a divisive one where there were heightened fears of attacks. Edited January 21, 2017 by Howay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) Biggest cunt I've ever met was US Passport Control. Still remember his name for when my list is put into action. Edited January 21, 2017 by adios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 20232 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 peaceful demonstration is hardly grounds to be denied entry into the country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 peaceful demonstration is hardly grounds to be denied entry into the country It's not but the border security have always been tough here, you're not going to get a great amount of change out of many border securities around the world if you're saying you are coming in to protest their leader what right do they really have to do so? They'd argue it's easier and safer to just not let them in than risk an attack, I know the threat from a group of 6 women was low but half the time these lot are looking for an excuse not to let people in and they gave them an easy one. I agree with you fwiw but I think this would have happened 4 years ago as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 20232 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) perhaps, but i suspect we're going to hear a lot of similar stories about various freedoms being cracked down on under the new president. stuff like this bothers him hugely. he'd have been seething at the pictures of the empty spaces for his inauguration compared to obama's in 2009 Edited January 21, 2017 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Oh aye no doubt, but I was just meaning this particular incident would have happened previously in all. I was once put in secondary holding and watched as a Latvian woman come out of one of the interview rooms crying holding a baby, her husband started yelling demanding an apology, one of the border security guys just got up and started screaming "this is not Latvia, you have no rights here, so sit down" that was 5 years ago, so they've always been dicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4981 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 perhaps, but i suspect we're going to hear a lot of similar stories about various freedoms being cracked down on under the new president. stuff like this bothers him hugely. he'd have been seething at the pictures of the empty spaces for his inauguration compared to obama's in 2009 Maybe but most of his supporters aren't in and around DC. Do many republican presidents hit Obama's numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 20232 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 The FT has produced some excellent opeds lately, for those who have a subscription https://www.ft.com/content/49a5b4a2-dff1-11e6-8405-9e5580d6e5fb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 10178 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Maybe but most of his supporters aren't in and around DC. Do many republican presidents hit Obama's numbers? Aye, I was thinking it was only fair to compare him to GW. Or even Clinton (Obama was an historic victory after all). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 20232 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 perhaps, but i suspect we're going to hear a lot of similar stories about various freedoms being cracked down on under the new president. stuff like this bothers him hugely. he'd have been seething at the pictures of the empty spaces for his inauguration compared to obama's in 2009 I called it https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ACt24dO6zWA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 27044 Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 If the administration is going to tell such blatant and easily disprovable lies about something so trivial then they surely can't be expected to be trusted on anything else? Trump is going to get the worst press of any president in recent history but will it really make a difference to the opinions of the people who voted for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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