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2 hours ago, ohhh_yeah said:

 

It is coming home!

 

 

That tool with his top off got absolutely sucker punched tbf 

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29 minutes ago, NJS said:

They were very reliant on set pieces it has to be said. Nowt wrong with that as such but it underlines how there was a lack of traditional creativity in midfield. 

This is true. You’re relying on Alli, Lingard and Sterling to create chances and they didn’t. Alli and Sterling were particularly disappointing. Southgate isn’t above criticism and his persistence with these two maybe made the difference in getting to the final.

Saying that there weren’t a great deal of alternatives. Rashford perhaps could have started ahead of Sterling but there’s no obvious replacement for Alli. 

All in all though it was a real achievement for England to get this far. I have doubts on whether they can build on it at the Euros but they’ve two years to develop and a lot can happen in that time.

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15 hours ago, Howay said:

Sorry to hear about your loss PL mate, I lost my mother recently and had a really rough time of it. 

 

As far as this match goes I think England have played well, Croatia are always going to pose a problem as they have some real class but we seem to be handling it well. The late pressure from Croatia is expected with the way England play, we seem to play in bursts of high energy before a bit of a lull. 

My condolences too, mate.

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22 minutes ago, ewerk said:

This is true. You’re relying on Alli, Lingard and Sterling to create chances and they didn’t. Alli and Sterling were particularly disappointing. Southgate isn’t above criticism and his persistence with these two maybe made the difference in getting to the final.

Saying that there weren’t a great deal of alternatives. Rashford perhaps could have started ahead of Sterling but there’s no obvious replacement for Alli. 

All in all though it was a real achievement for England to get this far. I have doubts on whether they can build on it at the Euros but they’ve two years to develop and a lot can happen in that time.

Loftus-Cheek did well when he came on - I couldn't see why he preferred Alli who was carrying an injury in the subsequent games. 

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19 minutes ago, Alex said:

My condolences too, mate.

Aye, sorry to hear it, @Howay man, if I forgot to say it last night.

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2 hours ago, Gemmill said:

Ireland were 1990's Panama and we scraped a draw.

 

I'm not biting in enjoying this thread too much 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, ewerk said:

This is true. You’re relying on Alli, Lingard and Sterling to create chances and they didn’t. Alli and Sterling were particularly disappointing. Southgate isn’t above criticism and his persistence with these two maybe made the difference in getting to the final.

Saying that there weren’t a great deal of alternatives. Rashford perhaps could have started ahead of Sterling but there’s no obvious replacement for Alli. 

All in all though it was a real achievement for England to get this far. I have doubts on whether they can build on it at the Euros but they’ve two years to develop and a lot can happen in that time.

i think sterling had a good tournament actually, in terms of all round play, just poor in front of goal. 

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he stretched defenders and kept getting into dangerous positions, only to be let down by his finishing, or decision making. he reminds me a lot of bellamy. never going to be prolific but he works tirelessly for the team. the criticism of him throughout the turnament seemed wildly overblown. i don't think it was a huge coincidence, that we had much less of an attacking threat when rashford came on. he is arguably a better finisher but he doesn't work the channels in the same way.  

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Think Sterling did alright and the criticism was way OTT but it's definitely a case of what might have been, i.e. if him, Kane and Alli had been in top form

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Yeah so he was fast and that was about it. I don’t think it’s OTT to say that he had a bad tournament compared to the standards he’s set himself.

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2 minutes ago, ewerk said:

Yeah so he was fast and that was about it. I don’t think it’s OTT to say that he had a bad tournament compared to the standards he’s set himself.

Wasn't aimed at you btw, just the general feeling so many people seem to have it in for him

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We must have posted at the same time because mine was in response to Gloom.

The coverage of Sterling has of course been disgusting by the media in the run up to the tournament. It’s a pity he wasn’t able to ram it down their throats with a couple of performances.

He wasn’t terrible, he just didn’t do much for me but the same can be said of Lingard, Alli and Kane. Though in Kane’s case he wasn’t getting much service rather than fluffing chances.

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I think Southgate is in a bit of a shit position now mind. He’s already getting a bit of stick because of the whole “we didn’t play anyone craic”, I get they weren’t the big name teams but these were games England sides of the past would get fuck all from. To add to that I think we’ll also be back to the unrealistic expectations of the past for the Euros, with dickheads like the Sun vehemently attacking the coaching staff and players while demanding they win the whole thing. 

 

I’d keep the bloke through the next World Cup unless there’s some fucking disaster or serious regression. I think you have to give him the chance to learn and grow a bit along with this group of players, there’s absolutely nothing to be gained from chucking him and bringing in an older foreign manager iyam (you only need to look at Capellos cuntishness to see the possible issues there). 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Howay said:

I think Southgate is in a bit of a shit position now mind. He’s already getting a bit of stick because of the whole “we didn’t play anyone craic”, I get they weren’t the big name teams but these were games England sides of the past would get fuck all from. To add to that I think we’ll also be back to the unrealistic expectations of the past for the Euros, with dickheads like the Sun vehemently attacking the coaching staff and players while demanding they win the whole thing. 

 

I’d keep the bloke through the next World Cup unless there’s some fucking disaster or serious regression. I think you have to give him the chance to learn and grow a bit along with this group of players, there’s absolutely nothing to be gained from chucking him and bringing in an older foreign manager iyam (you only need to look at Capellos cuntishness to see the possible issues there). 

 

 

 

They'll give up in a few days once someone makes a big money transfer at club level or something.

 

Southgate will get the Euros and, barring a total disaster, another World Cup before hes under any danger of having to go.

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2 minutes ago, ewerk said:

We must have posted at the same time because mine was in response to Gloom.

The coverage of Sterling has of course been disgusting by the media in the run up to the tournament. It’s a pity he wasn’t able to ram it down their throats with a couple of performances.

He wasn’t terrible, he just didn’t do much for me but the same can be said of Lingard, Alli and Kane. Though in Kane’s case he wasn’t getting much service rather than fluffing chances.

I think that’s fair. I thought he was good but fell short of his club form, mind he’s surrounded by more talented players at club level. I think I’m a little more disappointed with Dele and Lingard but again I’m being a little harsh if I say that as they all performed closer to their club level than England players of the recent past. 

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We did better than anyone thought we'd do, fuckin hell Sven's cowardly bunch would've lost on pens to Colombia.  It is by far the worst England squad that have ever been to a World Cup and they got to the Semi Finals.  They were brave as fuck, Maguire summed the whole World Cup up for us.  He's nee Rio Ferdinand, Woodgate or Beckenbauer but fuck me the lad deserves all the praise in the world for his effort, and for me fuck Kane, he was our player of the tournament.  Grew up in a Yorkshire council house never looked like leaving Sheffield, and he was MOTM 3 times for me.  Proud of England, very average on paper, but they gave everything they've got.  Anyway Newcastle are like an 8 on its side in terms of how more important they are than England, that is a genuine fact. 

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Alli was shite from start to finish and I'm not having any of this ' injury' nonsense affecting his play.The same goes for Kane's ' injury' and Trippier's ' injury'.Has an England player ever had a poor World Cup because ' injuries ' have been  used as excuses for both Beckham and Rooney being shit in previous World Cups.

What exactly did Lingard bring to the party.VAR has good and proper fucked up Alli's game.His blatant dives in the box have been forced from his game. He was  on his way down last night before contact was made for the free kick which England scored from.The media went way over the top,reference NOT criticising the players.Fuck playing darts with players .

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1 hour ago, ewerk said:

Yeah so he was fast and that was about it. I don’t think it’s OTT to say that he had a bad tournament compared to the standards he’s set himself.

nah, his game is about more than pace. he makes intelligent runs, and defenders fear him. croatia were way happier after we took him off last night, i reckon. the disappointment for me was that he wasn't able to silence his critics with a goal or two because other than that, he was a handful. 

this england team always looked imbalanced to me - lots of runners but no playmaker to pick them out. we'll never know if shelvey coming on from the bench would have made a difference but given the lack of creativity, we needed goals from sterling and more from ali, who looked half-fit all tournament to me. lingard and henderson both impressed me more than i thought they would. and unlike essembee, i had a feeling pickford would impress. 

i remember seeing the squad when it was announced and thinking it was the worst on paper of my lifetime so you have to credit southgat for getting them to buy into what he was trying to do and get to the semis. they have massively overachieved, easy draw or not. 

 

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Can’t fault his decision to play an unchanged side after the Sweden game, but disappointed he didn’t make a bold decision at half time and do something about our attacking midfield. It was pretty apparent near midway through first half that we weren’t gonna get much from open play. Probably loftus cheek for ali at half time would have been a decent switch 

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7 minutes ago, essembeeofsunderland said:

Alli was shite from start to finish and I'm not having any of this ' injury' nonsense affecting his play.The same goes for Kane's ' injury' and Trippier's ' injury'.Has an England player ever had a poor World Cup because ' injuries ' have been  used as excuses for both Beckham and Rooney being shit in previous World Cups.

What exactly did Lingard bring to the party.VAR has good and proper fucked up Alli's game.His blatant dives in the box have been forced from his game. He was  on his way down last night before contact was made for the free kick which England scored from.The media went way over the top,reference NOT criticising the players.Fuck playing darts with players .

trippier was probably our best player in the tournament, alongside maguire and your man pickford. 

lingard scored our best goal. 

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