NobbySol 425 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 (edited) The deeper you go, the more you realise how much of a prick Isak is & how much Liverpool have fucked us here. Ramsdale potentially solves GK issue. Now have 4 FT cbs of real quality. Botman is world class if fit (which hopefully is the case). Burn gets better YOY. Schar the other way but still solid. Newbie in looks a good addition. Full backs are the envy of nearly every club in the league with trippier and targett/burn in reserve. Our midfield 3 were continously lauded as the best in the division last season. They'll all get better this year. Ramsey looks like he's being added to that, with Miley and Willock (or his replacement) in the background. We've got the quickest two wingers in the league with excellent output, supported by Murphy and Barnes - both with excellent numbers. The striker position is horseshit. Throw Wissa into that with Isak of the first 7 months of the season & that's the envy of a number of teams in the division. Realistically, I think we'd all have taken that at the beginning of the window, save for Isak situation. We've lost out on Pedro and Delap but they're probably through the door as the replacement for Wilson. We've lost out on Sesko who was the target for Isak. The media runaround the club is getting is inflated because of our apparent desperation, in a situation Isak has put us in. For me, he's dead and buried. I wouldn't be averse to seeing him rot for a year. We either get what we want for him or we make an example of him. There is no alternative & I don't think there's a reasonable route back for him. He might be ushered back into the fold if he's still here in September but he's forever tainted & not sure as a teammate, I'd want him anywhere near the squad ever again - regardless of his level. Edited August 13 by NobbySol 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 43933 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 5 minutes ago, Ketsbaia said: Melissa Reddy’s tweets alone will be a sight to behold. I honestly think her head would explode if she was asked to discuss anything that wasn't about the sky six. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 14245 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 3 minutes ago, Howmanheyman said: I honestly think her head would explode if she was asked to discuss anything that wasn't about the sky six. we can but hope. the vacuous tart. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia 22 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 I don’t see a situation where if he’s here beyond 31 August he’s not back in the first team like. Neither party gains anything if he spends the next six months playing heads and volleys with Garang Kuol. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobbySol 425 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 1 minute ago, Ketsbaia said: I don’t see a situation where if he’s here beyond 31 August he’s not back in the first team like. Neither party gains anything if he spends the next six months playing heads and volleys with Garang Kuol. Might improve Kuols technique to be fair. What happens if Liverpool offer £120m and our price is £150m? Who's actually more desperate in that regard. Yes they need a striker and they've torpedoed out front line but I'm not sure we relent to that level. The pundits like Neville, Merson, Carragher and twats on talksport now pulling the moral highground card, saying we must keep him and take a stand. I'm confident they wouldn't feel the same if it was a player stinking out their club. To be honest, they've been lobbying their own clubs to sign Isak for the last 12 months - stoking the ball of fire we're in now. Ideally he fucks off and we probably will have to relent somewhat but there's a strong feeling some short term sabotage is worth making the point and laying down foundation for future scenarios. Only Howe will know the feeling amongst the squad and the likely impact this will have on the season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 12383 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 26 minutes ago, Gemmill said: I think if he fires his agent, he could pin a bunch of the worst stuff on him and say that it was his agent saying this stuff and he was being advised not to offer a counter if he wanted to get his move. Won't be easy to pull off, but if the will was there from the player, I think Howe would do everything he could to engineer a climbdown. Not sure the will is there though. He really has handled it about as poorly as is possible. 100% and the longer he goes without jettisoning his services, the worse the impact and the lesser the opportunity to recover the situation. This agent is a fucking vulture operating in self-interest. As much as Isak is being a complete fanny about this, I do believe he is acting entirely on the professional advice he is receiving which is poor in judgement, not in his best interests and hugely damaging to him and his brand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 11894 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 Isak feeling to big fir Newcastle is the result of more than 12 months that a player of his calibre should play for Arsenal or any other top team but Newcastle. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 39233 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 2 minutes ago, Craig said: 100% and the longer he goes without jettisoning his services, the worse the impact and the lesser the opportunity to recover the situation. This agent is a fucking vulture operating in self-interest. As much as Isak is being a complete fanny about this, I do believe he is acting entirely on the professional advice he is receiving which is poor in judgement, not in his best interests and hugely damaging to him and his brand. Aye, DCL was laughed out of Elland Road for his wage demands. He promptly sacked his agent and is now close to signing for them. There is a way back for Isak is he sacks his trouble-making cunt of an agent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 12383 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 11 minutes ago, Ketsbaia said: I don’t see a situation where if he’s here beyond 31 August he’s not back in the first team like. Neither party gains anything if he spends the next six months playing heads and volleys with Garang Kuol. It's a hugely difficult one. I get the point you're making - we should be making the most of any time we have with what is an exceptional player who has the ability to change the outcome of a match in a single moment, but... He's absolutely torpedoed pre-season planning with his antics - that doesn't just impact him, but also the rest of the squad. Howe's got a fine balancing act here between getting the most out of Isak, but also doing right by the rest of the squad who have been impacted by his shenanigans. I don't imagine it'll sit well with many if he's allowed back into the first team fold largely unpunished for his actions - where's the incentive for them not to do likewise if there's very limited consequences? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 42149 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 Might be frightened to sack the dodgy cunt. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobbySol 425 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 1 minute ago, Craig said: 100% and the longer he goes without jettisoning his services, the worse the impact and the lesser the opportunity to recover the situation. This agent is a fucking vulture operating in self-interest. As much as Isak is being a complete fanny about this, I do believe he is acting entirely on the professional advice he is receiving which is poor in judgement, not in his best interests and hugely damaging to him and his brand. I appreciate footballers are generally thick but I don't think the same can be said about Isak. He comes across intelligent, measured and appeared to have a good set of morales. There would be no doubting the impact the agent has had here but Isak must carry a significant amount of the blame too. If he sacks his agent post closure of the transfer window, we would all see it's part of a salvage mission or the agent was simply too shit to get the job done from Isaks perspective. Not great for us either way. If he sacked him now, which isn't going to happen, then the recovery for reintegration is on. It's not going to happen though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 12383 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 1 minute ago, ewerk said: Aye, DCL was laughed out of Elland Road for his wage demands. He promptly sacked his agent and is now close to signing for them. There is a way back for Isak is he sacks his trouble-making cunt of an agent. It's his ONLY way back as far as I can see. If the agent remains, it's going to end badly for all concerned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 6697 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 I’m sorry like, I ain’t having any of this shifting blame to the agent. He’s a grown man and fairly intelligent and has personally ok’d each step along the way. Hope he stays and puts a good shift in til we replace him but fuck the cunt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 12383 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 Just now, NobbySol said: I appreciate footballers are generally thick but I don't think the same can be said about Isak. He comes across intelligent, measured and appeared to have a good set of morales. There would be no doubting the impact the agent has had here but Isak must carry a significant amount of the blame too. If he sacks his agent post closure of the transfer window, we would all see it's part of a salvage mission or the agent was simply too shit to get the job done from Isaks perspective. Not great for us either way. If he sacked him now, which isn't going to happen, then the recovery for reintegration is on. It's not going to happen though. It's not about being thick, it's about being informed in a particular field. Every single one of us has ticked the box to say "I've read and accepted the EULA" despite never reading it. He'll delegate the details of what he can/can't do to his agent and act on his professional advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 12383 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 Just now, Christmas Tree said: I’m sorry like, I ain’t having any of this shifting blame to the agent. He’s a grown man and fairly intelligent and has personally ok’d each step along the way. Hope he stays and puts a good shift in til we replace him but fuck the cunt. "His agent is entirely blameless" Fuck me... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 42149 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 Just now, Christmas Tree said: I’m sorry like, I ain’t having any of this shifting blame to the agent. He’s a grown man and fairly intelligent and has personally ok’d each step along the way. Hope he stays and puts a good shift in til we replace him but fuck the cunt. It’s both. But I think people mean it’s the PR route out of this. Rather than saying it’s all the agent’s fault. Although I’m in the camp he’s burnt his bridges whatever happens now. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 12383 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Alex said: It’s both. But I think people mean it’s the PR route out of this. Rather than saying it’s all the agent’s fault. Although I’m in the camp he’s burnt his bridges whatever happens now. Agreed - he's taken too long to disassociate himself from him. His agent is dodgy as fuck and focused on profiteering. Edited August 13 by Craig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 6697 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 Just now, Alex said: It’s both. But I think people mean it’s the PR route out of this. Rather than saying it’s all the agent’s fault. Although I’m in the camp he’s burnt his bridges whatever happens now. Yup, but that PR is only going to work with mongs imo. Most supporters will be in “our” camp, bridges burnt, bombed and bulldozed for good measure. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobbySol 425 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 1 minute ago, Craig said: It's not about being thick, it's about being informed in a particular field. Every single one of us has ticked the box to say "I've read and accepted the EULA" despite never reading it. He'll delegate the details of what he can/can't do to his agent and act on his professional advice. Granted on some part & his agent will manipulate the scenario to benefit him and his client best, guiding him using his knowledge & experience. However, if my agent tells me to down tools, fly to different countries, refuse to work, train at a separate time, kick up a general stink and refuse to play for the club again - then I'm saying no. Alot of this is conjecture and the club may have agreed to some elements but there's no disputing the horrendous behaviour here. There's an ethical standard one should maintain and Isak has ignored those beyond reprieve. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 15593 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 12 minutes ago, Alex said: Might be frightened to sack the dodgy cunt. There may well be something in that tbh, Serbian "businessman" with Abramovich links obviously a stand up bloke. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 6697 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 Watching Isak score for Newcastle next season would be like……. Answers on a postcard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 9004 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 Ultimately an agent acts for the client. If the client is badly advised then they can get shot. Or continue to look the cunt. Sacking his agent is his least worst route out of this, unless Liverpool come in with £150m. The chatter that NUFC are being cunts is absurd, Liverpool have lowballed and he should be fuming with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gemmill 63200 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 8 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Yup, but that PR is only going to work with mongs imo. Most supporters will be in “our” camp, bridges burnt, bombed and bulldozed for good measure. People don't have to be convinced. They just need to recognise that this is the off-ramp for the situation and allow Howe and the player to use it for the benefit of Newcastle United. It's the only remaining scenario where we actually come out as the winners. Liverpool don't get their man, Isak doesn't get his move, and we get one of the best strikers in Europe for another season AND most crucially the time to find his replacement. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 63200 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 1 minute ago, Craig said: *sexy voice* PURPLE...... MMMMMMM.... PANEL *sexy voice* 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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