Gemmill 53776 Posted Monday at 17:11 Share Posted Monday at 17:11 10 minutes ago, Toonpack said: The ref see's it real time from one angle, it was a free kick, he blew his whistle, end of. You don't hesitate to blow the whistle when you see a foul. And it remains the wrong decision because the keeper wasn't in control of the ball. Got it yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 12516 Posted Monday at 17:18 Share Posted Monday at 17:18 4 minutes ago, Gemmill said: And it remains the wrong decision because the keeper wasn't in control of the ball. Got it yet? It was not a howler as you insist, it was a perfectly acceptable decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 53776 Posted Monday at 17:30 Share Posted Monday at 17:30 earlier it was a foul. Now it is wrong, but acceptably so. You're having an absolute nightmare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 12516 Posted Monday at 17:35 Share Posted Monday at 17:35 1 minute ago, Gemmill said: earlier it was a foul. Now it is wrong, but acceptably so. You're having an absolute nightmare. It was a free kick and a perfectly acceptable decision for me, I haven't changed my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 53776 Posted Monday at 17:54 Share Posted Monday at 17:54 Ok so you're still wrong then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 12516 Posted Monday at 17:59 Share Posted Monday at 17:59 4 minutes ago, Gemmill said: Ok so you're still wrong then. You would be the expert at that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6685 Posted Monday at 18:08 Share Posted Monday at 18:08 The argument Villa seem to be making isn't that the referee necessarily should have called it the other way, but that he should have let the goal go in so that VAR could be used to support the decision. So I think that's like saying "whether it was the right decision or not, the referee should have delayed blowing to be able to ascertain the outcome properly". If that is part of standard referee training then maybe they've got a point? If it's not then they can fuck off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 24225 Posted Monday at 18:10 Share Posted Monday at 18:10 It's exactly the point they were saying on MOTD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 34847 Posted Monday at 18:18 Share Posted Monday at 18:18 According to the ‘rules’ this goalkeeper is in control of the ball and cannot be challenged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 53776 Posted Monday at 18:18 Share Posted Monday at 18:18 And they were saying that because, if he hadn't have blown the whistle, VAR would have ruled that the goal should stand because the keeper didn't have control of the ball. Despite what Toonpack and KCG inexplicably think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6685 Posted Monday at 18:25 Share Posted Monday at 18:25 Yes fair enough but I think it's a slightly different argument to 'he's made a mistake'. It's more like 'he's not followed due process on how this situation should have been handled, which has in turn meant that the mistake could not be overturned." So yes it's about the mistake but if the referee has indeed bungled the process then I actually do think that's a less forgivable situation than just him calling it wrong, which would feel more like just one of those things that happens. That said though, I don't think that the process actually does exist... which means that like it or not, the ref did the best he could with the information he had, and it's no one's fault even if it was the wrong call. They can suggest that a 'more experienced ref' would have delayed it if they want, but the reality is the guy made the best call he could and followed process correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 53776 Posted Monday at 18:31 Share Posted Monday at 18:31 We'll find out soon enough cos the PGMOL will respond publicly to Villa's public complaint. So if the idea that he should have delayed the whistle is not standard process, they'll surely spell that out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 24225 Posted Monday at 18:34 Share Posted Monday at 18:34 8 minutes ago, Rayvin said: That said though, I don't think that the process actually does exist. That's what needs clarifying TBH. If there is a process then it's a mistake. If not, then maybe it needs tweaking so the play is allowed to carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4778 Posted Monday at 18:39 Share Posted Monday at 18:39 This is like the decisions like sending offs where it looks just a bit iffy in real time but var spots an ankle stamp or vice versa where var proves no contact. From where the ref was it looks 100% like he's kicked it out of his hands only for var to show there was doubt. The question is whether he should have blown but this leads us down a path where the ref leaves everything to var and never makes a call at all. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 5786 Posted Monday at 20:24 Share Posted Monday at 20:24 I think it was the correct decision because villa arent in the champions league now and we are. 2 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 8096 Posted Monday at 21:31 Share Posted Monday at 21:31 Turns out the Villa player stamped on the GKs hand anyway, so it's immaterial whether he had control of the ball. Correct decision! https://x.com/nqatpod/status/1927077190627131784 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 4471 Posted Monday at 21:49 Share Posted Monday at 21:49 Also looks like the ball was touching his hand there too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 9026 Posted Monday at 21:50 Share Posted Monday at 21:50 10 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: Turns out the Villa player stamped on the GKs hand anyway, so it's immaterial whether he had control of the ball. Correct decision! https://x.com/nqatpod/status/1927077190627131784 This is old news but this is the best angle showing it. Plus the ball is between the goal Keepers hands which is the very first definition for which they are considered to be in control of it, and during which they cannot be challenged by an opponent. ========= The Rules ========= A goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball with the hand(s) when: the ball is between the hands or between the hand and any surface (e.g. ground, own body) or by touching it with any part of the hands or arms except if the ball rebounds from the goalkeeper or the goalkeeper has made a save holding the ball in the outstretched open hand bouncing it on the ground or throwing it in the air A goalkeeper cannot be challenged by an opponent when in control of the ball with the hand(s). ========= The End ========= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 4880 Posted Monday at 22:18 Share Posted Monday at 22:18 Who gives a fuck. Villa shite themselves and we deserved it over the season, so says the league table 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 3828 Posted Monday at 22:31 Share Posted Monday at 22:31 Everyone! He clearly had the ball under his spell. This is not the goalkeeping controversy you're looking for. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 9026 Posted Monday at 23:12 Share Posted Monday at 23:12 6 hours ago, Gemmill said: Sounds like he can just hover one hand above the ball when it's on the ground too. I genuinely cannot believe that you are stupid enough to read: "A goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball with his hands when the ball is between the hands or between the hand and any surface" And think that that just means ANYWHERE between his hands or the hand and the surface. The strawman is strong in this one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 46992 Posted Tuesday at 03:05 Share Posted Tuesday at 03:05 PGMOL have released an official statement this morning. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cgle170wgp6o 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 9026 Posted Tuesday at 03:40 Share Posted Tuesday at 03:40 34 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said: PGMOL have released an official statement this morning. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cgle170wgp6o I don't often agree with PGMOL but on this they have my full support. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 53776 Posted Tuesday at 03:56 Share Posted Tuesday at 03:56 4 hours ago, OTF said: The strawman is strong in this one. Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 9026 Posted Tuesday at 06:17 Share Posted Tuesday at 06:17 2 hours ago, Gemmill said: Nope. Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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